So the Medes are the first dynasty not decendent from Alessi : V

» Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:55 pm

So When Alessia was dying Akatosh came and gave his blood then trapped her soul in the Amulet of kings and Alessia ascended to divine realms and Akatosh said as long as someone sharing our joined blood and the dragonfires remain light then oblivion will stay closed. So that would mean both Tiber Septium and Reman I were related to Alessia which is believable but in the Reman dynasty after Reman III died the akavari potentate ruled and how could an akavari be related to Alessia. So the only Emperors not related to Alessia are medes considering oblivion is closed for good.

» Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:52 am

I didn't know Tiber Septim was descended from Alessia, nor Reman for that matter.

» Sun Oct 09, 2011 6:05 pm

And how does this have anything to do with Skyrim? Lore section buddy.

» Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:06 am

And how does this have anything to do with Skyrim? Lore section buddy.

I mentioned medes so it kinda does plus theres like 500 people on here so srry if your upset

» Sun Oct 09, 2011 10:20 pm

I mentioned medes so it kinda does plus theres like 500 people on here so srry if your upset

Medes is not in Skyrim, so it does not, This will be moved to the Lore section, like I said before.

» Sun Oct 09, 2011 10:30 pm

Medes is not in Skyrim, so it does not, This will be moved to the Lore section, like I said before.

Sorry if my thread is in wrong section I'm just confused on how the dragon fires have been lit for centuries if only Alessia's descendents can light them yet Akavari people have ruled.

» Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:16 am

Sorry if my thread is in wrong section I'm just confused on how the dragon fires have been lit for centuries if only Alessia's descendents can light them yet Akavari people have ruled.

See, you have questions, which would be answered in the Lore section, most people on the Skyrim form are new to TES.

» Mon Oct 10, 2011 4:42 am

To save myself for repeating, I'll just quote myself

Certainly, and if you would like more info just ask the question in the lore fourm. We had this very discussion last night.

The idea that the a Septim must be on the throne and lite the Dragon fires is full of holes in the first place. First off, the pact between Alessia and Akatosh/Lorkhan was made during the Alessian Rebellion, and states as long as one of her decendents sets upon the throne and ware the amulet of kings the pact will be upheld. Alessia died without an heir.

The Dragonfires were instituted by Remen, and are pure ceremonial and have no connection to the barriers between Nirn and Oblivion. Remens line was wiped out during through assassination and the Tsaesci Potente reined through out the Empire until he too was assassinated. Tiber's own line died out with his son Peligus, and the elder council adopted one of his brothers family members as the new Emperor. In fact, there have been times when there have been no one of Septim blood on the throne at all, the Dunmer wife of one Emperor even reigned in one of the most glorious periods through the Empire. Dragonblood was used to give the Septim Dynasty some percieved divine right, when in fact the blood ended before it really even began.

Actually, Tiber's line ended with his son...just nitpicking >.>

But yea, the point being Tiber was the only dragonborn, and even then, his direct line ended with his son and the empire was passed to Tiber's brother. The Amulet of Kings and the Dragonfires was pewp perpetrated by Reman, and the "only the direct line of Tiber can wear the Amulet" was propagandized with the Septim empire. In reality, anyone who can be king can wear it, much like only a select few in Daggerfall could use the Totem of Tiber Septim. Mankar was such a person. Heck, even Gortwag the orsimer king could have worn it too. Also, by the time the late Uriel ruled, his blood line had been so incredibly diluted that if the propaganda was correct, Uriel wouldn't have been able to wear it.

So no, you are not related to Tiber Septim. One of the aedra (my bet is either Shor, Kyne, or Ysmir/Talos) plucked a soul of a dragon and stuck it in a mortal. It's a much more mundane answer than you think. And if the dragonborn is an altmer, than someone was trollin' the nords.

Heres a fellow Lore scholar who also supports the claim.

Alessia died with no heirs, Remen instituted the Dragonfires and the Septim's are a bunch of frauds.