[liz barnes]

Yeah I know they're classics, I can understand that, I just really hate... I dunno, their style? It's not something I can really put into words, but its something I can hear on all their albums, from first to last (including St. Anger) and it's something that really grates on me - not that I'm saying all their albums sound similar, just that they share this particular characteristic. They have a really "listen to us, we're in a thrash metal band!" attitude that just seems so rigid and macho. And that fits really well with their personalities, so it can't just be coincidence.~

Oh, and no, if they were just another forgotten thrash band I probably wouldn't hate them. But I wouldn't like them either.

you might like exodus,nuclear assault or destruction those are my current favorite thrash bands

[Victoria Bartel]

If Metallica was another forgotten thrash band, I'd still hate 'em. I don't like plenty of "forgotten" thrash bands...At War, Stone, Defiance, etc, etc. Their popularity makes me dislike them more, but not because they are popular, but because that popularity means that they are constantly shoved down your throat. If it was Dark Angel who blew up, I'd be all about that...Dark Angel on commercial radio...yes please. Dark Angel as an influence to another generation of bands who may not have had the resources or inclination to dig a bit deeper into the seedy underbelly of the metal scene...once again, yes please. Metallica played mediocre thrash that appealed to fringe metalheads' pop sensibilities...now they play piss poor hard rock that appeals to no one.

[Ells]

you might like exodus,nuclear assault or destruction those are my current favorite thrash bands

I don't like Exodus, not particularly fond of Destruction and have never listened to Nuclear Assault...

[Leticia Hernandez]

Nuclear Assault is pretty meh.

Anyone ever order anything from Necroharmonic.com? They're reissuing Wombbath - Internal Caustic Torments, which I'm interested in, but I've never even heard of the place until now.

[Nana Samboy]

Just went to Mayhem Fest. It. Was. Awesome.

Best Bands:
Rob Zombie was the BEST.
-Seriously, one of the BEST shows I have ever seen. Flame spitting robotic alien things.... !!...
KoRn
-That was probably... the fifth time I have seen them live. The show was more interesting than the ones in the past... but I was kind of disappointed in the songs that were played. The didn't play a single song from See you on the Other Side or their unnamed album. Not one, not even twisted transistor or coming undone which I was really expecting at least one of.
Five Finger Death Punch
-Good. Bad Company. Gotta love it when a Colorado native comes home. \m/
Lamb of God
-they were good. Not the best, they were kind of boring but they weren't bad.
In the Moment (I think was the name....)
-Female singer who could scream better than most men... And the last song, she moved to the middle of the audience while everyone formed a circle pit around her.

You know it's a good concert when you wake up the next morning feeling hung over... and you hadn't been drinking....

The only down side of the festival was Atreyu (or however the hell you spell that).. They svck so hard. And seem determined to ruin as many songs from other artists as their own. ... Seriously... Thriller? Metal Thriller.....? WTF. I got a migraine from their show..... Bad. So bad.

But ignoring that, it was fantastic.

[Casey]

Just received Lantl?s' .neon in the mail. Seems pretty great so far.

Also ordered these:
Celestia - Archaenae Perfectii
Mortifera - Maledictiih
Lantl?s - Lantl?s

Didn't even know Celestia and Mortifera released new material. :blink:

[edit] @Keelee: that seems like a really [censored] lineup. Also, where's the metal?

[Sarah Bishop]

[edit] @Keelee: that seems like a really [censored] lineup. Also, where's the metal?

The whole line up dude.
I don't know what your definition of metal is, but it is a very wide genre, and yes, those bands are metal.

[Invasion's]

I see a lot of core, but not much metal...

[Ownie Zuliana]

I see a lot of core, but not much metal...

Really?
You wouldn't even consider Lamb of God and Five Finger metal? What exactly is metal according to this thread then? So Nu metal is not up for discussion. And old metal is also off limits..... O.o

That is a really limited amount of space to talk about a huge genre. I thought we were all one big, happy, dysfunctional metal clan. But it seems that the metal I (and a lot of other people) like is not in the category of metal everyone here likes. And every time I try to input my two cents to my metal brethren... someone always has something negative to say about it.

I'll be honest I kind of feel pushed aside and there is this very elitist vibe I am getting from some people (not all mind you, but it is there). Basically, I am honestly curious why the thread meant for Metal is in fact for only a select type of metal and not the rest?

[Adriana Lenzo]

Lamb of God? Maybe. FFDP? I consider them some pretty terrible nu-metal.

Nu Metal has been off limits since when this thread started way back when as far as I understand. And by old metal I suppose you mean "classic" stuff. Considering the time this thread has gone on, I doubt there is much left to discuss about any of the older "classic" bands.

Completely ridding of nu metal, and not discussing some of the more classic stuff that much does not limit discussion on metal whatsoever. You've already said metal is a huge genre yourself, limiting the discussion of two areas of it isn't doing much.

[Catherine Harte]

Snip

The female singer band, was it not Arch Enemy? I'm not a fan of them myself, seen them twice live now and was bored both times.

As for the rest, they're all -core/nu-metal bands and aren't up for discussion. If you like them, fine, but it's not for here. It's in the rules in the first post.

And we're not elitists (not all of us anyway), if you're new to the genre - we'll welcome you and give you recommendations, I still consider myself very new to it.

[Nicholas C]

The female singer band, was it not Arch Enemy? I'm not a fan of them myself, seen them twice live now and was bored both times.

As for the rest, they're all -core/nu-metal bands and aren't up for discussion. If you like them, fine, but it's not for here. It's in the rules in the first post.

And we're not elitists (not all of us anyway), if you're new to the genre - we'll welcome you and give you recommendations, I still consider myself very new to it.

No it was something like In the Moment or In THIS Moment.... something like that. They are a new band, not well known and were technically the first band. (the actual first band was Horse, the band of Uncle Nasty, a personality on KBPI, But I guess that didn't count...? meh)

I am not new to metal, I have in fact been a metal head all my life. Which is why I was getting kind of frustrated when the bands I mentioned, which I have listened to all my life, are constantly being ... shot down. I guess what I am trying to say is, I don't really understand when what I have considered metal is not in fact metal to the general populous here. And I was certainly not calling everyone here elitist about it, but I have had a few responses to my posts with that general vibe.

And Mayhem Fest is a metal tour. That's what it is and I wanted to share my experience with everyone. And the first response was "@#%^& line up and no metal." Kind of a slap in the face.

[Sam Parker]

Well,it seems they have some metal bands there,but even those are (IMHO) crap.The rest are your regular -core posers.But if you want to discuss crappy wannabe metal poser bands,then go ahead and open a thread for those yourself and discuss them there.
Discussing old metal (Priest,Sabbath,Maiden,Motorhead,Dio,Ozzy,Manowar,Saxon,Accept etc.) isn't banned,it just happens that most of those bands are either well-known or they aren't releasing or touring anymore,so there's little to discuss.
Except if by old metal you mean LZ,DP,Rush,Kiss,AC/DC,Van Halen etc.,those are rock bands and shouldn't be discussed here.
Unfortunately it seems people here know power metal only by mediocre bands such as Hammerfall and Dragonforce,so we end up with little to no discussion about PM as well,with an occasional "most power metal is flowery powerless poppy poser crap and sux,and Iced Earth and Blind Guardian are the only good power metal bands" post.

So that leaves us with discussing extreme metal and occasional talk about other subgenres.

BTW,are there any fans of Sabbath's stuff without Dio or Ozzy here?
EDIT:They have a copy of Demolition Hammer's debut at my nearest record store,so I'd like to know is it any good?

[mimi_lys]

People have different views on what's metal. Most are clueless.

When I first met my girlfriend she said she was a metalhead. I asked her her favorite bands and she said Avenged Sevenfold, BFMV, and Marilyn Manson. I facepalmed but didn't give a crap. I showed her what decent actual metal sounds like.

[Noraima Vega]

Really?
You wouldn't even consider Lamb of God and Five Finger metal? What exactly is metal according to this thread then? So Nu metal is not up for discussion. And old metal is also off limits..... O.o

That is a really limited amount of space to talk about a huge genre.

It really isn't a limited amount of space. From Iron Maiden to Bloodbath to Napalm Death to Mayhem to Overkill to Electric Wizard to Falconer to Opeth is a pretty [censored] huge amount of space if you ask me.

[Cameron Garrod]

[edit] @Keelee: that seems like a really [censored] lineup. Also, where's the metal?

Haha. And yeah, the new Mortifera is pretty good.

Also, it's In This Moment.

[Betsy Humpledink]

Nuclear Assault is pretty meh.

Anyone ever order anything from Necroharmonic.com? They're reissuing Wombbath - Internal Caustic Torments, which I'm interested in, but I've never even heard of the place until now.

Yep, I order from Roy all the time. Fast service...highly recommended.

[Markie Mark]

Well,it seems they have some metal bands there,but even those are (IMHO) crap.The rest are your regular -core posers.But if you want to discuss crappy wannabe metal poser bands,then go ahead and open a thread for those yourself and discuss them there.
Discussing old metal (Priest,Sabbath,Maiden,Motorhead,Dio,Ozzy,Manowar,Saxon,Accept etc.) isn't banned,it just happens that most of those bands are either well-known or they aren't releasing or touring anymore,so there's little to discuss.
Except if by old metal you mean LZ,DP,Rush,Kiss,AC/DC,Van Halen etc.,those are rock bands and shouldn't be discussed here.
Unfortunately it seems people here know power metal only by mediocre bands such as Hammerfall and Dragonforce,so we end up with little to no discussion about PM as well,with an occasional "most power metal is flowery powerless poppy poser crap and sux,and Iced Earth and Blind Guardian are the only good power metal bands" post.

So that leaves us with discussing extreme metal and occasional talk about other subgenres.

BTW,are there any fans of Sabbath's stuff without Dio or Ozzy here?
EDIT:They have a copy of Demolition Hammer's debut at my nearest record store,so I'd like to know is it any good?

The Demolition Hammer debut is great. It's pretty brutal thrash stuff that borders on death metal without really crossing the line.

Also, because some of us don't blow the man horn of power metal, NWOBHM, and Traditional metal doesn't mean we all hate it. I don't care for quite a bit of it, but what I do enjoy, I enjoy quite a bit. I just don't see any point in talking about bands like early Loudness, Running Wild, early Satan's Host, Satan, Manilla Raod, etc. if only a few people will join in.

To the kid whining about his bands getting shot down, enjoy what you enjoy, but realize that in a genre like metal that inspires near fanaticism you're going to get a lot of that when you talk about bands that are little more than pop music with distorted guitars and some screaming. Lamb of God is the only band on that entire bill that I'd even consider calling metal, and that doesn't make me a fan at all.

[Mason Nevitt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xXhBs1Ho18 is the closest thing to metal i really like.

[Heather M]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xXhBs1Ho18 is the closest thing to metal i really like.

Relax...it's only paranoia.

One of my favorite bands.

[Chantel Hopkin]

Except if by old metal you mean LZ,DP,Rush,Kiss,AC/DC,Van Halen etc.,those are rock bands and shouldn't be discussed here.?

Actually most of that is 70's metal, regulating every 70's metal band except Black Sabbath as "hard rock" is undermining the huge influence these bands had on current metal.

Ultimately while the thread is called the metal thread you will get rare posts wanting to discuss these bands. Like one chap said there are people who have been into metal since the 70's to tell them what they like is not metal comes across as condescending and like people are not aware of the history of the music they say they love (not saying that is the case, but how it comes across). Music does change, but if this was 1977 what bands would you be listening to, which bands would be covered as metal in the media? The point is if it was metal then and influence the genre it is still metal now. Maybe not modern extreme underground metal, but it is of its time.

Personally I think if people want to discuss any metal band it should be ok, music like metal and punk which is more than just music (encompasses lifestyle, self identity and attitude) means it will always have strong minded people who only want to be associated with certain parts of it. But like it or not a music genre that is around 40 years old is going to have elements that jar the current fans. Metal is more than its underground and all scenes need more palatable and commercial bands to attract a new crowd some of whom (as shown above) will get interested in underground metal which without that MM album they purchased when they where 13 they would not have been interested in.

[neil slattery]

Noone's undermining their influence.They were a huge influence,but not metal bands themselves (except maybe Deep Purple and Rush).There were metal bands except Sabbath in the 70's,but most were bordering on hard rock (Thin Lizzy,Budgie,Sir Lord Baltimore,Rainbow,Scorpions etc.).There were some bands that were mostly metal (Judas Priest,Motorhead,Quartz,Saxon,Accept,Riot,Legend,Night Sun),but even those had a lot of hard rock elements in their music.That said,I think the safest route is to look up the band you want to discuss in Metal Archives.If it has an entry there,it's metal,if it doesn't,it's not.

Now please stop talking about stuff we aren't supposed to talk about here-if you want to discuss mallcore/hair bands/grunge/hard rock/hardcoe/noise/screamo/whatever non-metal genre that gets called metal by the media,go ahead and make your own thread and discuss it there.

@R'lyeh
Then I might get that album soon...And I didn't say people hate traditional metal/NWOBHM,they just seem to discard modern power metal although there's a lot of good bands out there that aren't Iced Earth or Blind Guardian.

But I think we should discuss this stuff from time to time,there's a lot of great old bands such as the ones you mentioned or Omen (is there anything more epic than Teeth of the Hydra?) probably aren't known to the average metalhead,although they should get far more recognition.

[Laura-Jayne Lee]

That said,I think the safest route is to look up the band you want to discuss in Metal Archives.If it has an entry there,it's metal,if it doesn't,it's not.

Nechochwen.

[Kevin Jay]

Nechochwen.

He did say the safest route.

It's not infallible, but it can be good for a quick check.

So... anyone else looking forward to Blind Guardian's new album?

[quinnnn]

So... anyone else looking forward to Blind Guardian's new album?

Based on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VfXoQCCizA, I'd say that it will be pretty awesome.