[Skrapp Stephens]

Nah Cage the elephant is rock, and rise against and offspring are alternative. Seems APC should be more alternative, because it sure dosent sdound like metal.

No, Rise Against and the Offspring are both punk bands. Maybe pop-punk in the latter's case but either way... Anyway, most record stores here don't have an "Alternative" section. There's "rock and pop" which covers anything from Lady Gaga to Queens of the Stoneage (that is, anything which is popular) and "metal" which covers metal, punk, ska, "alternative rock" like APC and System and everything in between.

And to be honest, that doesn't bother me. After all, record shops are businesses - not libraries.

[Code Affinity]

Meshuggah Meshuggah Meshuggah Meshuggah! If you haven't heard of them already, look them up!

[OTTO]

Not a fan of that style, I'm sure there are fans in here though.

Grabbed one of these yesterday:
http://shop-hellsheadbangers.com/galleryofthegrotesque.asp

Sounds really damn cool.

[CRuzIta LUVz grlz]

No, Rise Against and the Offspring are both punk bands. Maybe pop-punk in the latter's case but either way... Anyway, most record stores here don't have an "Alternative" section. There's "rock and pop" which covers anything from Lady Gaga to Queens of the Stoneage (that is, anything which is popular) and "metal" which covers metal, punk, ska, "alternative rock" like APC and System and everything in between.

And to be honest, that doesn't bother me. After all, record shops are businesses - not libraries.

I know their punk, but Itunes classes them as Alternative for some reason.
Also I have never understood how do you seperate all the metals, death metal, heavy, black, etc I have never understood that.

[Steeeph]

They're easy to separate, they all sound different. What you're asking is exactly like asking how you separate gangster rap from r&b.

[Jonny]

I admitted I was a jaded snob a few posts up...I'm not denying it.

:rofl: This comment made my day.

I find it odd, that some songs are classed as metal, for some reason Itunes thinks Tool and A perfecr circle are metal... It confused me.

Itunes doesnt do a good job when it comes to genres. It considered Faustcoven rock. So I just dismiss Itune's genre picking.

Also I have never understood how do you seperate all the metals, death metal, heavy, black, etc I have never understood that.

Well, I'll give a quick list.


Heavy: Pretty straightforward. Heavy metal sounds like Hard rock except more "metal" ish. Hence why bands like Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, and Motorhead, all 3 iconic Heavy mMetal bands, get thrown in on Hard Rock stations.

Power: Very, Very, melodic metal. Vocals are usually sung operatically, employ lots of keyboards and usually have fantasy centric lyrics. Examples are Blind Gaurdian, Dragonforce, and Nightwish.

Folk: Folk Metal sounds pretty much like a combonation of Folk music and "speed" metal (heavy metal played at fast tempos). Bands like Korikiplaani.

Prog: Odd Tempos and Progressive song structures with clean vocals usually makes prog. Known to use a variety of instruments to accompany the normal guitar, bass, vocals and drums. Bands like Dream Theater, Fates Warning and Shadow gallery.

Thrash: Think the "speed" metal I mentioned earlier (Heavy metal played at high tempos) and multiply the agression by one hundred. Agressive, fast, and "In your face", Thrash emplos anywhere from clean to "cookie monster" vocals (it sounds alot like if you imagined cookie monster singing, hence the name.) Bands like Warbringer, Destruction, and Toxic Holocaust are thrash.

Doom: My personal Favorite of the metals. Doom Employs slower Tempos, focusing more on "larger than life" Sounds over breakneck speed. Alot of people say Doom is "Trying to be as close to Black Sabbath without Being Black Sabbath" but Doom has evolved many different unique sounds In my Ophinion. Bands like Reverend Bizarre, Pentagram, and Cirith Ungol are doom.

Death: Thrash metal from amuch more technical point. Death doesnt step back by being more technical, but takes Thrash's energy and refines it. Iconically has very very deep growling vocals. Bands like Bolt Thrower, Autopsy, and Death are Death Metal.

Black: Black Metal combines Tremelo picking, Shreiking vocals, and blast beats from the drums to create almost the "antimelodic" sound. Some bands like Burzum take Black metal on an atmospheric approach, using Keyboards to add atmosphere, while others Hit the ground running with a more "violent" sound like Immortal.

There are various subgenres within each genre I could talk about, and I could makea huge list on "The Theory of Doom Metal" but I think this covers the basics. Anyone is free to correct this list if it needs correcting, and I hope this helps you solve your problem.

[SexyPimpAss]

Your black metal description is very simplified...to the point where your excluding a ton of early bands, and quite a few bands from all eras who didn't follow the Norse sound. Things like Von, Grand Belial's Key, Mystifier, etc. all early black metal bands, and none of them fit the description you gave.

[Petr Jordy Zugar]

I always thought black metal was about atmosphere whether or not it was violent. Early Immortal may be total aural chaos, but it still invokes images of glaciers and rolling forested hills.

[Jack Moves]

Speaking of Immortal...behold their fake Marshall Stacks in all their false glory!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5tY-XfbgJe0/TCI1U-yBH-I/AAAAAAAAE1o/0YDLFMVj_AQ/s400/immortalfake.jpg

[Milad Hajipour]

That's pretty amazing in a terrible kind of way.

[Allison C]

Speaking of Immortal...behold their fake Marshall Stacks in all their false glory!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5tY-XfbgJe0/TCI1U-yBH-I/AAAAAAAAE1o/0YDLFMVj_AQ/s400/immortalfake.jpg

:lol:

[Chantelle Walker]

Speaking of Immortal...behold their fake Marshall Stacks in all their false glory!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5tY-XfbgJe0/TCI1U-yBH-I/AAAAAAAAE1o/0YDLFMVj_AQ/s400/immortalfake.jpg

Yeah but their real amps are Engls. That's kinda sick. Anyway, I think it's actually pretty common practice when you see walls of guitar amps for most of the speaker cabinets to be empty. I mean come on, if they weren't, what would be the point of throwing a mic up in front of one of the speakers if you had 10 loaded cabs?

[Devils Cheek]

no mention of venom the black metal gods check out the album at war with satan

[Stefanny Cardona]

The thread has been around for years, and Venom is pretty old news...so they aren't really brought up often, but rest assured that a great many of us are familiar with Venom.

[luis dejesus]

sorted i'm new here and anold school thrash and punk addict it's good to know that a geordie band is known on a us site

[Add Me]

Also I have never understood how do you seperate all the metals, death metal, heavy, black, etc I have never understood that.

Here you go...

http://i38.tinypic.com/34xrl10.jpg

:P

[Katharine Newton]

So, like, the new Rhapsody [of Fire] album. Any good?

[Wanda Maximoff]

no mention of venom the black metal gods check out the album at war with satan

Well... I wouldn't call Venom black metal. More like early thrash. Of course they've been a major influence on the genre, but I wouldn't consider their sound as being black metal. When I think of black metal I picture something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkaY-p6ujuQ

Dunno if anybody's heard of them, but their a pretty great black metal band from France. On later albums they've also gone in a more avant-gardish direction which is pretty interesting too.

Edit: also, they're a lot less ridiculous in their lyrics and image then some really "kvlt" black metal bands. (don't get me wrong. nothing wrong with being kvlt )

[Marie Maillos]

Well... I wouldn't call Venom black metal. More like early thrash. Of course they've been a major influence on the genre, but I wouldn't consider their sound as being black metal. When I think of black metal I picture something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkaY-p6ujuQ

Dunno if anybody's heard of them, but their a pretty great black metal band from France. On later albums they've also gone in a more avant-gardish direction which is pretty interesting too.

Edit: also, they're a lot less ridiculous in their lyrics and image then some really "kvlt" black metal bands. (don't get me wrong. nothing wrong with being kvlt )

I think just about anyone's heard of DsO. But I agree that they're very good. SMRC is phenomenal.

[Timara White]

Dunno if anybody's heard of them, but their a pretty great black metal band from France. On later albums they've also gone in a more avant-gardish direction which is pretty interesting too.

I'm not usually one for 'black metal', but that's a pretty awesome song. I may have to look into them so more later.

Edit: and their name reminds me of an über end-of-the-game spell in a JRPG.

[Sophh]

I'm not usually one for 'black metal', but that's a pretty awesome song. I may have to look into them so more later.

Edit: and their name reminds me of an über end-of-the-game spell in a JRPG.

Yeah, I suppose their not that typical as far as black metal goes. Glad I could spark someone's interest

[Kay O'Hara]

Musically, later DsO take a lot from Ved Buens Ende, at least in my opinion. I'm not saying they are a clone, but the style is similar. Lyrically, there's a whole sub-genre of black metal with similar lyrics. It's called "orthodox black metal". DsO make good music, but they're nothing new or original.

Venom is most certainly black metal. Once again, genre tags aren't exclusive, and bands can fall into more than one genre.

[Karl harris]

Since you can't quote a quote, in the first post of this thread, it was metioned you can't mention some bands because they are not metal but they the person goes on to say he will not explain it? WTF?! If you can not explain what is metal then this topic should be closed. Why can't I talk what I think metal is, and then say I am wrong when it will not be explained?

So first of all, explain what is metal. To me metal, or Heavy Metal back in the age, (damn I never thought that would be the classics like the 50's were classics LOL.) was anything rock, wich had a bit of a heavy beat to some of it's songs. Lots of people will say this was 80's Hair Bands music, but it was considered back in the day Heavy Metal, because you had Electric guitars, electric bass guitars drums and maybe keyboards, but most didn't back then.

Bon Jovi, Poison, Slaughter, Def Lepard were consdidered metal. People who listend to aht stuff wore mostly Blue jeans and black leather jackets. That was also part of the Metal crowd. To say that Led Zepplin is not metal is just wrong. Without them there would be no other bands. We also had Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath and AC/DC wich were really Heavy Metal and the other bands I mentioned were just metal.


And again, if you are going to have "these metal" threads, you better explain what is "metal" so you can take part in the discussion. We are not mind readers and if someone posts in here and you guys take "offence" to it, then it is your propblem because you coudn't take the time to explain it. I find it funny 4 or 5 paragraphs were written out, expalaining the "Rules" but then not explaining what metal is.


So please explain to this old timer, what is your "version of metal" is now. It looks like the definitions have changed.

[Maya Maya]

Nothing's changed, everything has progressed.

Hair metal like you've described isn't talked about here because a majority of it was just bad. I've got nothing against some of the bands in that style, though they aren't the ones you heard on the radio (though Loudness did get some radio play with their later albums, certainly nothing off of Devil Soldier or The Law of Devil's Land though). Things like Bon Jovi, Poison, Warrant, etc. was looked at pretty suspiciously in the 80's by metal heads as well. It's not like all of a sudden these new kids came along and decided it was lame. The mainstream called it metal, the metal community called it rock (or worse).

Basically, what those rules where set up to do was make it easy for discussion to continue. In order to do that we need to narrow down what is allowed to be discussed. It's very hard to have a conversation if every other topic is a "SLIPKNOT RULES!!!!" or "WHY IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT DEF LEPPARD, THEY WHERE THE BEST!!!" post.

Also, "these metal" threads, have been around for a LONG time...and the rules where drawn up by regulars, and approved by moderators...so if you don't like the atmosphere, you're free to start your own thread about whatever sort of "metal" you like.

[Code Affinity]

Musically, later DsO take a lot from Ved Buens Ende, at least in my opinion. I'm not saying they are a clone, but the style is similar. Lyrically, there's a whole sub-genre of black metal with similar lyrics. It's called "orthodox black metal". DsO make good music, but they're nothing new or original.

Venom is most certainly black metal. Once again, genre tags aren't exclusive, and bands can fall into more than one genre.

Hmm... I've always considered them quite original, but I guess I just haven't heard the stuff that inspired them.

On another topic, anyone gone to any interesting music festivals this summer? I've only gone to the Tuska metal festival in Helsinki. Saw some pretty great bands like Bloodbath (one of my all time death metal favorites). They were awesome. When they finally played "Eaten" as their encore everyone went bat[censored] insane

I also saw this Finnish death metal band called "Sotajumala", which translates to "Wargod". Here's a sample http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huHT3J68EzI The songs called Proclamation of Death.

Also saw Hypocrisy from Sweden which was okay considering it was sort of melodeath.