Oh they're still there? I figured they were told, "You're out of here, bye!" And done, poof, out of there.

I would say most are part of the Empire, but they're not as powerful as they once were. I'm extremely interested in the Synod, honestly. Divine spellcasters who use the Arcane as well as worship? Thaumaturge from 3.5 edition!

Well, under normal circumstances I'd agree, but remember that the entire council of mages was killed and many of their members are dead, defected, or undead, not to mention the various political instability blah blah.

It's not that they were just told to get up and they did. It's that the organization itself crumbled and only a few stragglers like the ones in Lilmoth remain.

Oh, but I did. I put it the cake up there, and then I brought it down to chew on for years. It's yummy. And to continue a goofy metaphor, I left a crumb trail to follow and dread against.

Like any author for Tamriel, Mr. Keyes worked within a collaborative space. That you didn't like the space set out for his contributions is your right, but don't hate the baker, hate the bakery.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the Mages Guild a symbol of imperial power, as opposed to a seperate sphere of political power within the empire. As demonstrated by the end of the Morrowind Mages Guild quest line when Battlemage Ocato orders Trebonius to hand over power to the PC. As far as I can tell, the Mages Guild was beholden to the Empire, not the other way around. It therefore makes sense that the guild fell apart with no stable empire to back it up.

Everyone here does know that the Ministry of Truth was Lord Vivec's biggest turd ever, right? Hard to place real-world physics on that. And just plain wrong to even try.

That's not really true. The Galerion and the founding of the mage's guild was in the middle of the Akaviri Pontentacy in the middle of the second era. It survived its collapse and then it survived the rise of the new empire. It may have changed and become closer to the Empire, but as an independent organization, it should've survived somewhat unless something happened at the arcane university or to the guild (like looting the AU or the majority of its leadership being killed off by necro...).

Yeah, I know the MoT was a giant turd... I try to wrap my head around how someone could make something that large, but then I think of Randy Marsh of South Park.

Exactly my point! (assuming you aint making a joke here <_<)

So it was metaphysical unreal world physics that did the dirty deed - still x amount of power impacts a formation with y amount of stability and tips a physical or metapysical balance

I suspect most of us would like to know how exactly it worked though - but few of us will be surprised if we do not get more exact info unless we are willing to pay the piper for that

And ofc some would insist that the mechanics remain shrouded in mystery to preserve the mystery which is the real fun bit :whistling:

I quite like the guar idea.

Precisely the point. That's not an eruption, especially not for a volcano of that size. It's a minor belching.



We know the prevailing direction of deposit after dispersion in the lower atmosphere - just look at the map of Vvardenfell.



Apparently, you have little understanding as to what masses of ash are ejected in such an eruption. I point once again at major historical eruptions leading to a "year without a summer" on the other side of the planet and cities being buried in ash even beyond state borders by even "minor" eruptions such as Mount St Helens.



Of course it may prove fertile ground. But the eruption of Red Mountain could have been the same. Instead, it was reduced to a gimmick that does just what the author wants it to do. Likewise, the cultural fallout might be that the Dunmer, having already been driven partially underground as we hear, start fully emulating the Drow by becoming a matriarchic society in underground cities hating all surface life. Does it make sense? Not really? But neither does the fart of a volcano being described as an eruption.

Now, as for social and cultural fallout, how would followers of Azura throughout Tamriel react to a day with no dawn? How would they react to endless weeks with blood-red sunset? How would the Nord react if for a full year, the temperature doesn't get better than in deepest winter? How would Argonians react to a massive extinction and/or migration of species in their swamps as temperatures don't get high enough anymore for them to thrive? How would all people react to massive crops failures? Now that would have been something to chew on - but quite a massive amount of things to think about, and obviously, they thought it was too much to handle on top of the consequences of the Oblivion crisis. So instead of erupting, Red Mountain farted.

Well, I guess we should all just say that Greg Keyes [censored] up when it came to making giant volcanoes erupt realistically. Irmo's not making such a big deal over nothing.

I say we should get this guy to proofread the manuscript of the second novel before it gets released. Keyes'll probably shoot his own fingers off when it's all over, at any rate.

I think you two are the same person, and I think that person is none other than Professor Moriarty.

And thus, "Irmo," you learn that http://www.imperial-library.info/content/nords-lack-creation-myth.

Moriarty! (Shakes fist)

At that point Ocato was basically Arch Mage (of all the Mages guild, not just regionally) even though he had become Imperial Battle-mage. he changed jobs in between Arena and Daggerfall in order to advocate for the Mages guild within the government.

About what that Irmo fella was saying about the "Summer of Winter", I was digging around for information on Great House Dres and accidentally ran across some lore about the last time Red Mountain popped its top. Funnily enough, there's several direct references to "Summers of Winter" from various provinces. Here's the section on Vvardenfell from http://www.imperial-library.info/content/pocket-guide-empire-first-edition-morrowind. Not sure if this is confirmed stuff taken from in-game or otherwise, but it looks good to me.

Yes, it's sound. That was the Tribunal's ascension, dunmer creation, and dwemer absorbicide.

You have gone to a lot of trouble when MK just posted that it's not really about rl physics ^^ MK's post seems to state that the physical side is fallout from the metaphysics rather than cause and effect - no idea how that affects my own theorising because a lot of his thinking goes into areas that are outside my current interests. While I get some of his stuff there always seem to be spaces that are not filled in and so his the bottom line always seems to be one step beyond. That leaves the results of exterpolation open to error and so makes lateral thinking less useful. That may be the intention ^^

RED Mountain creation
... your post does provoke the query - where was it written that there was a 'nuclear' winter following the eruption? So I have to agree that it was not comparable to the event that created the sea and the island as others here have stated. but there is something there that jars as a lore thing. I remember reading that the Heart was thrown into the sea ... so there had to be a sea there in the first place - that infers that the either the crater came before the sea or the Heart came to be in Red mountain by another route.

The Map?
Ty for the stuff about the map - there is still no sign of the book on the shelves on this side of the pond

Volcanic Fallout, Hist and Argonians
What I was responding to in my posts were the questions of how other parts of Morrowind and Argonia were affected - and what the Hist were reacting to. Whatever the fallout it appears that Argonia was not hit as hard as Morrowind. So I was thinking that likely the Hist would take serious umbrage to anything that affected the levels of sunlight in their part of the world - they are trees right? And I guess that they would not bee keen on having tainted ash fall on their preserves. Also the reaction suggests that they are not that concerned about the Argonians as they did not appear interfere in the border wars with Morrowind nor care about the slavers who were abducting massive numbers of Argonians. but again it may be that they just see that as a vector that causes large numbers of Argonians to be seeded in the territory of their enemies

You are not happy with the novel?
Admittedly I was upset about the novel not being written by the in-game devs at first ... and the feeling gained from commentary here was that it was lacking ... but taking into account the content of in-game novels I have to accept that contradiction is the name of this game. Based on that it may be that the writer's style jars in some way - and that makes me wonder if that is just because he did not play the game or because he was following stuff that he had been told to include rather than his own instincts. but I wasn't there when all this was decided and done - at least not to my knowledge - and I do not expect to learn further answers to that unless the book is published here

Hope this makes sense to you Irmo - laters

Hey, where'd you come from? I didn't think you roamed these parts anymore.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Pocket_Guide_to_the_Empire,_1st_Edition/Morrowind and http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Nirnroot_Missive are good references to Sun's Death.