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CHIM is kinda hard to explain, you might have to wait for one of the people who explained it to me to show up, but CHIM (short for AE CHIM CE ALTADOON) is when you see the 'tower', the idea that everyone is all part of the godhead's dream. If you just get here, then you zero-sum (just disappear) but if you are (insert reflexive adjective here) to think that your part of the dream is separate from all the other parts of the dream, you "can shape the land" with your knowledge of... everything. Its how http://www.imperial-library.info/content/many-headed-talosturned Cyrodill into a http://www.imperial-library.info/content/oblivion-mythic-dawn-commentaries-3t, not a http://www.imperial-library.info/content/pocket-guide-empire-first-edition-cyrodiil

i guess i'll be the first to say it but Akavir. always mentioned, but no real concrete evidence of whats there. and the only book describing whats there is controversial on its own. im reffering to mysterious akavir of course.

There's also Report: Disaster at Ionith. While it doesn't go into much detail about the lands, it is interesting.

Yes. I have. It was pretty interesting, gave some good insight on his realm and how some of the hunts work.

Different species of vampires.

I love the way that mortals not only confuse themselves but even the gods/naughty beings - ref vivec's adventures with the daedric princes

controversial has to be a certain bosmer who had so many people stumped ^^

I love most lore relating to Sheogorath. :wub:

Does the whole Infernal City debate over what happened to Morrowind count?

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I fell in love with the Tribunal Temple the first time I played Morrowind and the Almsivi themselves are such beautiful and tragic figures to me. They did the wrong thing for the right reasons.
I didn't want to kill Almalexia, but a Nerevarine's gotta do what a Nerevarine's gotta do.

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Personally, after seeing that Almalexia had gone bat-guano insane I considered it a mercy killing after what she used to be.

Well, yes. Sotha Sil's death as well was said to be a mercy
But as Vivec said "I'm afraid I find it all very, very sad that it should end this way, something that began in such glory and noble promise".
I'm inclined to agree with him.

its the crazy metaphysics, or the sort of underlying skeleton of the world, that really interest me. The idea of a universe whose actual telling, and understanding of, is intricately interwoven with the idea of myth, and what myth is.

I personally believe the shaping powers of myth to be a result of the Convention, and what makes the Mortal Plane special. Hence how the Daedra Princes can be more than meets the eye, even when surrounded by worshipers.

I have to go with Sheogorath, personally.

I've had many a debate about Sheogorath's depiction in SI. We'll not get into details here. Been over it a million times

Also the theories about the CoC not actually being Sheogorath, most of which involve im just being an insane mess thinking he's Sheogorath, while the real one is just laughing at him. My favourite is the "Haskill is Sheogorath" theory.

My favourite controversial lore, right there. At least for the moment.


Although, my favourite lore altogether would be the Tribunal and Lorkhan's heart, and how exactly it works.

Perhaps the Dwemer could be classified as some very controversial lore?

The dark, quirky characters introduced in Daggerfall are still my favorites within the series. Was very glad to see the story of Helseth and Barenziah expanded upon in Tribunal, but I really want to see how Wayrest is faring with Elysana as the queen. I also want to see Morgiah in 3D.

Elysana has proably gotten half the city burned down. Barenziah was awesome.

Depending on how the Oblivion Crisis turned out in High Rock, Wayrest was poised to become the shining star of the province, having allied itself with Orsinium, though even with the Orcs' help if Sentinel and Daggerfall put their minds to it, I'm sure they would've been able to smack Wayrest down.

Speaking of dark, quirky characters introduced in Daggerfall, I really hope we haven't seen the last of Mannimarco.

Judging by all the lore surrounding him, I refuse to believe a trifling thing like the physical destruction of his body would slow him down for long.

To me, that was among the most controversial lore..that you can just...kill the King Of Worms.


There's a precedent in this type of fiction for him to make another return, whether or not he's a God which is debatable. You need only look at Sauron from LOTR, or Voldemort from Harry Potter, or even Palpatine from Star Wars. All of these people represent evil sorcerers who found a way to cheat death and survive the death of their mortal shells, more than once. I think Mannimarco probably has these abilities too.

This makes me happy, seeing as Sauron is known as "The Necromancer" in the Hobbit. Don't care much for the others, though.

If I had a favorite piece of lore, it would be the Serpent Constellation. I mean, it's just way too odd. I've setup camps on various mountain ranges to observe its passing. I have written a couple theories on the subject, too. It's just way too...odd.

In a lot of ways, Sauron set the precedent for the "Dark Lord" trope in fiction. True he was only the lesser apprentice of Morgoth, but to this day that's not known to the casual LOTR fan. What's important is the idea of a Dark Lord and how Sauron is the archetype. I would argue that guys like Voldemort and Palpatine are cut from the same mold. Probably on purpose. The common theme they all have is that they are in fact Necromancers. They find a way to cheat death and survive beyond what would be the end of more pure or selfless characters. Mannimarco is cut from this mold, too, which is why I suspect we will see more of him.

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I'm of this school of thought, too. Elysana is clearly a scheming minx of major proportions; I have no doubt she could exploit the rise of Orsinium to whatever end she needed. Wayrest has always been the most adaptable of the Iliac capitals in my mind. They managed to keep neutral in the Betony war without Lysandus and Camoran taking much offense, and they're situated on a very convenient taxable waterway that connects three provinces together (High Rock, Hammerfell and Skyrim). I'm really hoping Bethesda will give us some more tidbits on the political state of the Iliac Bay by the time ES V rolls round.



I'm wondering if this was actually the reason for making him so innocuous-looking in Oblivion; to make his supposed fate questionable. Was it really him? And if so, did what you THINK happened ACTUALLY happen? Did he just possess some poor underling and float serenely back to Scourg Barrow when said underling bought the farm? I really doubt we've seen the last of him.



Thanks for bringing this up; I've always found it intriguing too. In my head Barenziah was born under the Serpent; it seems to fit her colourful history

Anything dealing with deities just fascinates me, Especially the Daedra.

It's said that Mannimarco became "the first of the immortal liches" even before his first "death" at the hands of Galerion's army many centuries ago.

The fact that he's supposedly died once before, years before the events of Daggerfall and before achieving godhood, lets me know that he's not to be trifled with and that any and all supposed deaths should be taken with a grain of salt.

That may well have been his original body or an exact copy of it, but for a being who has mastered the arts of life and death to the degree of Mannimarco, a body is just another tool to be used, like a sword or an alembic. Which is something else he has in common with Sauron, as a character. Sauron loses his physical form at least twice completely and has it mortally wounded yet another time, and yet for the Necromancer this is merely a setback and a time of hiding and healing. Owing to the similarities and probable influence of this character on Mannimarco, I'd say we haven't seen the last of him.

Not to mention the CoC was directly referencing if not actually replaying the whole Galerion vs Mannimarco struggle ala myth echo.

Sotha Sil. if not for any other reasons then simply because, compared to Vivic and Almalexia, i find him more appealing a character and that there is shortage of any kind of info on him.

and then there is CHIM and Dragon brakes.