I'm a bit surprised noone's mentioned Orgnum, "king" of Pyandonea, yet. I mean, not only is he an immortal Aldmer, he also grows younger every year.

...Though that will eventually turn into disadvantage at some point.

Zurin Arctus and Mannimarco I think. -_-

cant deside but i bet you 100 septims that it was a high elf damn i hate them Bretons ftw! but Mannimarco does own pretty hard

It's Winston Churchill. Think about it.

Or Jiub. Think about that too.

I got my top ten list.

1. Sotha Sil - He delved deeper into the arcane than anyone else has. He built robots that put the Dwemer's measily inventions to shame. He made a city full of life that wasn't life. We are all in awe of what the Dwemer were able to do, but Sotha Sil reached that point and perfected nearly everything.
2. Zurin Arctus - He figured out how to activate the Numidium without the Heart. And then he beat it. He actually beat the massive Brass God that actually changes reality itself and blew it to pieces.
3. Kagranac - He built said Brass God.
4. Mannimarco - First Lich. And made himself a god.
5. Jagar Tharn - Arena and Battlespire. Enough said.
6. Barilzar - I'm surprised no one has mentioned him. He made an artifact more powerful than the gods and can teleport anywhere, and I mean anywhere.
7. Syrabane
8. Vanus Galerion.
9. The leaders of the Psijics, forgot his name. It was in 2029
10. Dagoth Ur.

While he may have technically completed the process, he's no god. He even died in TES IV, though that is debatable.

Eh... I still go by the theory that there are more than one Mannimarco, the mortal one who remains as he was: the high priest of maggots, and the one who became the Necromancer's Moon.

For these two I would call the examples you cite works of engineering instead of acts of magic.

Perhaps it's like with Vivec and Vehk, with the idea that Vehk killed Nerevar, but Vivec didn't. Mannimarco didn't achieve godhood; the King of Worms did, perhaps.

I honestly don't accept that idea yet, but I also haven't looked into it a whole lot either.

But in TES, is there a difference? They use enchantments primarily, which are magical. They were the best enchanters.



Vehk did and did not kill Nerevar. He split the timeline, so in one, he was always a god, and the other he was a mortal.

Manni probably did the same, kind of. When the Warp happened, we know that all the possibilities occured. So he became a god, but in the other realities, he did not. So part of him became a god, the Necromancer's Moon, and the other part stayed mortal, the King of Worms. So at the same time, there is the God of Worms and the King of Worms.

Indeed. But wouldn't you have to have some hella magicka knowledge to do something like that? It DID involve magicka to an extent.

i respect him for his mastery of illusion, but couldent help think he was a pawn in dagons game

I thought that Dagon knew slightly more of what was going on, but it still takes some respect and power to strike a deal with a Daedric Lord and not get screwed over (need we start listing those that have been?)

~TK.R

Marc Gulitte, he knows more about casting a fireball than anyone in Anvil.

Being serious though, I'd say Divayth Fyr.

Fyrr. To the best of my knowdge he's the only one of all those mentioned still alive and breathing on NIRN.

Jagar Tharn. Or maybe Marandro Sul although that might be spelled wrong.

Divayth Fyr.

I'm just curious. How did he get those Daedric Artifacts? The amulet that teleports you to the Daedric Crescent, Scourge, Cuirass of the Savior's Hide, etc... Did he have that much interaction with the Daedra in his lifetime? He's kinda cool when I think about it.

"Divayth Fyr is one of the oldest mortals on Tamriel. He could be the Telvanni Archmagister, but he doesn't care about that stuff. He just wants to collect Dwemer artifacts and Daedric artifacts and corprus victims."--Anybody in Tel Fyr

I didn't see anyone mention the Camoran Usurper. A wood elf/lich/necromancer/(my theory)Ayleid who conquered the western half of Tamriel and notably sacked Kvatch thee first time definetly deserves mention.

There are also the Tounges (I think that's what they're called). The ancient nord sorcerers whose voices are so powerful that they can destroy entire cities must be pretty strong.

A bit of a last-thought side-note, what about Fyr's daughter's. They are his clones.

Reoite

Hmmm...

Diavath Fyr and Sotha Sil sound like the most reasonable, but in what way do we guage power?

Now, here's what I mean, in the lore you read about Imperial Battlemages wiping out armies with life-sapping clouds, raining fire, rending the very earth.

Let's also not forget Mankar Camoran, who created a pocket dimention, or Jagar Tharn, who not only did that, but also perfectly mimicked the appearance and voice of the emperor, stored his life force outside of his own body becoming nearly immortal, and very nearly bringing about an apocalypse. He has Illusion, alteration, necromancy, and destruction under his belt.

Greybeards have the Thuum, and the phyjics are unmatched at mysticism. Quantifying magic energy in this kind of "material," way dosen't really work when you consider school and discipline. it's "Knights vs. Samurai" in ES mage form: a debate that can never be truly won.

Elminster would kick all their asses!

Besides that fact, I would have to nominate Divayth Fyr or Jagar Tharn. Both of them are incredibly powerful though.

Morian Zenas

Conjuration is the pinnacle of all magic. Those able to tear asunder Mundus and enter Oblivion are unmatched.

Mannimarco was a pretty powerful necromancer/lich/whatever. If you ignore the fact that he was a pretty sad boss, but that's just game mechanics.

Seriously, though, I'd probably say Divayth Fyr or some other Psyjiic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGUoRHqBgbo.

Oooh, sweet...