Stripes?....what do you mean by that?
I don't understand.

I do have a bias towards in game lore, and in my opinion Alduin is not Akatosh.


Akatosh is the Dragon god of time. He was the first god to take form after which it became easier for other gods to establish themselves. Akatosh did not beget Mundus, he merely had a hand in its creation. (By Mundus I refer to Nirn, whose heart is Tamriel...)


Alduin is a different cup of tea. He is like Siva in Hinduism, the destroyer. He destroys the world so that it may be reborn. Each time ushering in a new Kalpa or age. These are two entirely diferent functions


In the TES universe gods operate within portfolios. Akatosh is the Dragon god of time and his functions have nothing to do with the destruction and rebirth of Mundus



I find sticking to in-game lore helps make the understanding clearer

What? Arena can be such the outsider at times, and I wanted it to feel important.

And vilnii, the problem is, there was no such thing as Akatosh in the beginning, Akatosh was a political creation made by Alessia in order to keep their merrish gods, but not piss off the nords at the same time. It was Auriel and Alduin as the two views of the time god, depending on whose side you were on during the Dawn. If anything, Akatosh is a complete and utter lie, made by wishy washy Cyrodiils who were still suffering from Stockholm Syndrome.

Also, Varieties of Faith, The Monomyth, and the Five Songs of Wulfhart.

You do realize that Varieties of Faith, The Monomyth, and the Five Songs are all in-game.

I'm going to ignore the absurdity of deriding the work of the man who made up the name "Alduin" as "out-of-game" lore and stick to your terms; only in-game lore. Alright, let's see what the in-game lore suggests.

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-monomyth http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-varieties-faith-empire Now it's your turn; link me to an in-game source that contradicts these two. But don't look too hard, you won't find anything.

Let me put it this way...The god of Time was the first to form in the beginning place. Let us take the name Akatosh out of the picture to avoid confusing things

Wait... you do realize that they're both called the god of time, right? The names are the only thing distinguishing them, if you remove those, you lose.

The bottom line is that the way the TES universe is designed, the gods function within portfolios.

The god of time has no functions that I know of associated with world destruction

It's at least possible that the inclusion of the Staff of Chaos on the Wall of Alduin was more than just a shout-out to Arena. After all, it is stated in The Real Barenziah (a tricky source, I know) that the Staff of Chaos cannot be destroyed without the direst consequences to the land itself.

How does either a beginning or an ending have any definition without time?
In fact, one might say that both are contingent upon time.

Lol, it helps to know he's only mentioned in Varieties and the Five Songs.

This is why you can cite so many sources for your claim, right? Because you know so much more about how the TES universe was designed than one of the designers of the TES universe. :rolleyes:

The fact that you don't know about them doesn't negate them. But since you don't about them, here you go:

"Nords therefore see the god of time as both creator and harbinger of the apocalypse."http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-varieties-faith-empire

There, now you know about those functions of the god of time, and are without excuse.

Except the mer view the god of time as Auriel, who would like to see Mundus removed, and the nords see the god of time as Alduin, who also wants to see Mundus removed. And with time, there is a beginning, middle, and end. If time is only the middle, then what's the beginning and end?

I disagree. Destroying the world does to stop the flow of time. Everything outside Mundus including the planes of Oblivion continue

Not to mention http://www.imperial-library.info/content/oblivion-five-songs-king-wulfharth where he's even being called Alduin Time-Eater.

The planes of Oblivion are contingent upon Mundus. If Mundus doesn't exist, neither does Oblivion.

Edit: Not to mention, I hear tell that time has no hold in those planes.

But something ended, and a new thing begins after. It's a cycle. A person is born, lives, then dies. Time gave and took its life, just like how it's now trying to take the life of Mundus away. A new thing will make its way around after its destruction, it will thrive for a while, then when it has been there long enough, it dies and another thing takes it place.

Will vilnii continue to ignore the in-game sources provided for him? The world waits with baited breath.

So you have chosen to accept the Nordic perspective...

The god of time is NOT the creator. Mundus was created by a multitude of Aedra.

Of Alduin isn't a creator, but there was a new beginning right after the end of the previous. By destroying the previous, a new was created after.

If you had clicked through to the actual source, "Varities of Faith," which appeared in the last two TES games, you would see that that passage is headed "Alduin;" definitively proving that Alduin is the Nordic name for the God of Time, just as Akatosh is the Imperial name and Auriel is the High Elven name.

But he's still the creator, even if partially.

Also, the mer perspective has a grumpy Mundus hating dragon too. It's the akatosh one that is obscure.

Wait, so now you're basing your disagreement on it being a different perspective? You're the one that wanted to remove the names and just call it the god of time. Just calling it the god of time doesn't differentiate between perspectives, because they're all called the god of time.

Your contention was that the god of time has no functions that you know of associated with world destruction, not that you disagree with the Nords. I showed you where the god of time has those functions. You claimed that Alduin wasn't Akatosh. Now, by acknowledging that this is the Nordic perspective, you thereby acknowledge Alduin as being Akatosh.

I could just as easily dismiss you by saying "So, you have chosen to accept the merish perspective."

What function does Time have other than destroying the world? This is a pretty fundamental idea in world literature. "Devouring everything" is well within the portfolio of Time. You don't even have to go into any in depth research on Alduinatosh for that.