What about all of the Ships that where at sea when the Bombs dropped? In the fifty's there where dozens of Navy Ships out at sea at any given time. And with a war with China the entire Navy would have been at sea. So where did they all go? It seems that the entire world was in conflict when the bombs fell. Every Nation on earth would have ships at sea. Where do you think that they went?

If they weren't wiped out in nuclear exchanges (as both nuclear warhead missles and topedoes existing in our 50s, they would have had to return home after some months due to lack of supplies for their crew.

There wasn't any home to return to. They must have gone somewhere. Maybe they kept on fighting the Chinese at sea until their stores ran out.

After the nuclear exchange a lot of them probably returned home (they'd have had to eventually anyway), some crews may have even mutinied and forced the captains to turn the ships back so they could return to loved ones etc. The ones who realised that the world was gone may have tried to settle on a pacific island somewhere... in any case though, a large number of them would have gotten killed and/or ghoulified by the black rain and radiation clouds and natural disasters that followed the war.

Where's Ausir when we need him?

even ausir couldn't truthfully anwser this one since it has never been discussed in the games so nobody knows all we can do is hazzard a guess.
personally i think most would have tried to come home, in some vain hope of helping loved ones (eventhough it would take them days to return home.)
then there would also be the ones in striking distance of the enemy who would have lashed out at them as much as they could (i know i would throw everything i had at them.)

but that's how i feel about the subject, nobody on this forum can give a definitive anwser to this question though.

We know from Fallout 2 that a chinese submarine , the Shi-huang-ti, stranded on the shores of San Francisco shortly after war.

The crew began a new life among the survivors of the city and founded the Shi , a faction with similar technological capabilities as the Brotherhood of Steel. They salvaged advanced technology from their submarine. Among that stuff was their supercomputer "Emperor". Through gene manipulation, they created a new kind of vine plant which absorbs radioactive particles and cleaned San Francisco from radiation with it.


They are surely not the only naval vessel with that fate in the Fallout universe. Or just think of all those strategic bombers. Its highly likely that at least some of them managed to escape after hitting their targets and managed to land/crash land somewhere.

Well there is the "running rumor", that the Royal Navy rules the British Empire now. As for the rest of the NATO and Warsaw Pact fleets, they probably returned to their home ports, ran out of supplies, mutinied, etc. The only oprational naval force that may have existed, was the fleet anchored at the Enclave's Oil Rig.

Check out this movie "On The Beach" [the original BW '59 version not the TV remake]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0053137/synopsis

to see what most likely happened to such crews eventually.....the dangerous and [ultimately pointless] mission to return to Mainland America to check out an apparant signal from a base is particularly poignant.

Submarines are indeed the most likely naval vessels to survive in greater numbers.

Although there will be losses due to naval battles before during and propably also after the nuclear exchange, submarines are no good targets as the enemy simply does not know where they are for most of the time.

Alone operating surface vessels like destroyers are also likely to survive. Everything that isnt all too important and draws much attention from the enemy on themselves.

The lowest propability of survival is to be found among large naval vessel groups like aircraft carrier task forces. They will be primary , easy to locate and easy to nuke targets. I doubt that any u.s carrier group survived the two hours of nuclear exchange. China propably knew very well where they were just like the u.s navy knew where the chinese forces were.

So just like the chinese sub from Fallout 2 there have to be u.s submarines which survived the war aswell.

China would probably have had only a "brown-water navy", with limited blue-water assets.

hm... i could easly see that the carriesrs ships, ect that was not hit by a missle, (ie targeted by another nation) that had enough suplies would have retuend to thier contries of origins... to find there was little to nothing left... and started new lifes out of their ships? like rivet city (i know it was beached and destoryed, but stil a similar concept?)

of corse though, most crews would have been killed (ships sunk) by the hehe.. fallout.. and the radiation levels... or if not killed... ghoulified...

just my thoughts on it

biulding

And how did they manage to invade Alaska then ?

They must have had a very sizable blue water navy.


As for Rivet City, we dont know the story of the carrier yet. In the game , the carrier was modeled after the USS Oriskany, a Essix class aircraft carrier which was mothballed in 1976 and stayed moored in Washington until 2004 when she was sunk to become a artificial reef.

So its quite possible that Rivet City actually IS the Oriskany and was just a museum piece that was kept until 2077 and had nothing to do with the war.

Thats the real Oriskany

[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/15/ExUSSOriskanyLeavesPort.jpg/800px-ExUSSOriskanyLeavesPort.jpg[/img]

And her fate of 2004

[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/USS_Oriskany_sinking.jpg[/img]

China might have had a large amphibious force, but that does not mean that they had a true blue-water navy. As for the Oriskany, my bet is that it was used as either a depot ship, or for flight training.

It would be interesting to see some story of people living on a nuclear sub, which in a sense could run forever, and surviving for decades post-war. Food would be the main problem I guess, but a creative writer could get around that.

The main thing this makes me think of though is islands in the middle of the ocean, of which there are TONS, inhabited and not. It strikes me as very improbable that every single island in pacific and atlantic with people living on them would have been hit by a bomb. Not only that, but a ship or submarine in the pacifc could have gone to one of these islands and the crew could be living a Swiss Family Robinson-eque life there hundreds of years later.

Could make for cool side stories someday... of course, the nature of videogames makes that unlikely.

How do you come to this conclusion? China is expanding their navy as we speak.

It was 2077 when the world blew, plenty of time for any major nation to build a navy.

It is likely there would be a lot of hulks at any likely port to receive ships. It's not just Navy vessels out there, but cargo ships and tankers as well.

Who do you think colonized the world, the mutinied crews went mad at the site of their loved ones being vaporized, and became raiders, the others became settlers of lands, ex: Rivet City, Megaton had to have been settled in after the bombs fell due to the bomb would have blown everyone in the general crater blast area away..

I'm curious as to how Tenpenny made it from England to America. Must've got on a boat somewhere, but the world has no fuel!

I would guess that the Australian Commonwealth's Navy would have been at sea fighting the Chinese in South East Asia or either staying back and waiting for an attack. Either way, the Australian Navy would have been somewhere close to home. They always are.

He swam

Its easy, Tenpenny just travelled to mainland Europe, and moved through to the Barring Straits, crossed the land bridge, and made his way to Washington. Simple.

Seems unlikely for a rich old man! Maybe he paid off someone with a rogue Vertibird.

Well, you know people were regularly travelling back and forth between England and America long before there was any oil or even coal to use as fuel (well, the coal and oil was around but people hadn't figured out how to use it yet). Coal/Steam power seems the most likely way Tenpenny might have travelled... Thatcher closed down the mines so there's still plenty of the stuff left.

True, but I find it hard to believe that there would have been enough coal, or a steam powered ship left. That or he just used a sailboat.