I think it really depends on who won at Hoover Dam.
If the Legion or House wins, the NCR is off licking it's wounds after a major loss of territory.
If the NCR wins, they are still recovering from a long drawn out war against Caesar.
The NCR moving East, across ALL OF THAT, just doesn't make sense to me. Or any faction for New Vegas. Sure we can use Vertibirds as an explanation if we wanted to, but at the same time that is not reason or cause, other than people wanting a faction to show up because reasons.
Not to mention, the timeline issue still needs to be set, because all evidence is still pointing that Fallout 3 and 4 are occurring nearly together separated only by a few months and some change (Broken Steel takes place after a prologued period due to the player being in a coma after activating the Giant Brita Filter, so take that into account)
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How, exactly, does one worship technology?
Is it as simple as praying to a golden, robotic calf? Perhaps "god" is recognized as some kind of sentient artificial intelligence who demands subservience in exchange for feats and favors?
Or maybe, just maybe, the human race has already answered this question: technology is worshipped, simply and plainly, through obsession and attainment. We are a people dominated by technology, from our electrically-powered cities right down to our scientifically engineered anti-depressant medications. And every Sunday mass we miss to stay home and watch football on our HDTVs is further proof that now, more than ever, technology is the deity we hold most dear.
Now imagine all of that compulsion, all of that addiction we as an entire race share, and encapsulate it into one group of people. Imagine the obsession and fervor, the unending need for technological superiority, and the ultimate futility of such a goal.
Imagine, if you will, the Brotherhood of Steel.
In Fallout 3, the Brotherhood of Steel is one of the most important and influential factions you'll encounter. And while it's true they are a military organization, the Brotherhood's values and command structure are actually more representative of a medieval knightly order. Like the Templars of old, in their own eyes, the members of the Brotherhood of Steel are pure, they are just - they are truly human in a world filled with both physical and moral corruption.
But it is the worship of technology that truly defines and drives them. For a Brotherhood of Steel Paladin, Power Armor is his plate mail, a powered Super Sledge his warhammer. A non-combatant Scribe is more scientist than scholar, utilizing computers as a monk in the Middle Ages would a quill and ink.
It's not enough for the Brotherhood of Steel's members to use whatever high-tech gadgetry they've acquired, though. The organization's entire existence is predicated on the acquisition of technology. Whatever they've got is never enough. Their best equipment? It could be better. Even if this endless search for high-tech toys means keeping the good stuff out of the hands of others who could really benefit from it, well, that's okay with the Brotherhood of Steel.
So it really didn't come as a surprise to anyone within the Brotherhood of Steel when the order's ruling council, based in Southern California, decided to send a contingent of soldiers all the way to the East Coast, with two important objectives:
1) To scour the ruins of Washington D.C., once the nation's capital, and recover any and all advanced technology. After all, D.C. was the home of the Pentagon, the very headquarters of the United States Department of Defense. Who knows what secrets - or equipment - they left behind?
2) To investigate the reports of Super Mutant activity in the area. Could these creatures be somehow related to those that fled eastward after the Master's destruction (as depicted at the end of Fallout 1). Or were these Super Mutants something else entirely?
And so a small but hardened contingent of Brotherhood of Steel soldiers, led by an idealistic Paladin named Owyn Lyons (and accompanied by his friend and technological advisor Scribe Rothchild, as well as his seven year-old daughter Sarah) set out from the Lost Hills Bunker in California, and began the long trek east to what was once Washington D.C.
When the group finally arrived in the Capital Wasteland, it didn't take long before they made some remarkable discoveries.
The Pentagon, as they had feared, was largely destroyed. But its sub-levels remained intact, and contained enough pre-war technology and weaponry to keep Lyons' forces going indefinitely (once the defense robots were destroyed). But there was something else, as well... a technological marvel that, if restored, could help the Brotherhood rebuild a strength and reputation that had been declining steadily for years.
The discovery was significant enough to earn Paladin Lyons a battlefield promotion to Elder, and a new directive from his superiors - to establish a new, permanent Brotherhood base in the Capital Wasteland, and continue the search for any other advanced technology hidden in the capital's ruins.
Lyons accepted his new post gladly, and founded the Citadel, built into and beneath the ruins of the Pentagon. It was a fortress the Brotherhood of Steel desperately needed, and one they rushed to fortify, thanks to their other great discovery - Super Mutants.
It didn't take long for Lyons and the Brotherhood of Steel to find the Super Mutants, mostly because they didn't have to: the Super Mutants found them. In the Capital Wasteland - particularly in the urban ruins of downtown D.C. - the Super Mutants simply couldn't be avoided.
That's why, for the people of the Capital Wasteland, the Brotherhood of Steel was the answer to their prayers. Scattered, hungry, and largely disorganized, they had lived with the constant threat of death or capture by the Super Mutants for as long as they could remember. Elder Lyons and his brave Knights and Paladins changed all that. For the first time, the Super Mutant tide was stemmed. The D.C. ruins were still Super Mutant controlled and uninhabitable, that was true, but the number of incursions against outlying settlements dropped significantly. Life was still harsh and unfair, but at least now the people of the Capital Wasteland had a fighting chance - and they had Elder Lyons and the Brotherhood to thank for that.
Fighting the Super Mutants, simply keeping them at bay, may have been enough for the area's innocents, but for the Brotherhood, too many questions remained: how were these local Super Mutants created? Why were they capturing the people of the Capital Wasteland? Where were they taking them? Finding these answers would, ultimately, become Owyn Lyons' obsession.
The years passed, but not in a way anyone had foreseen. Indeed, the Brotherhood of Steel's importance to the people of the Capital Wasteland was not something that Lyons ever expected. Nor was it something his superiors back in California cared at all about. Their newest Elder had a clearly defined mission - to acquire advanced technologies in and around the ruins of Washington D.C. Finding the source of the Super Mutant threat and destroying it was important too, of course. But that shouldn't take too long... right? Surely the Brotherhood of Steel could handle a few Super Mutants? How hard could it be to locate and eliminate their source? Lyons' prime objective was, first and foremost, the acquisition of technology. The Super Mutants were his second priority. Thus was the subject of every communication from the Brotherhood of Steel leadership in California.
But Elder Owyn Lyons had another priority, one he considered more important than his original directive or any orders received since - the protection of the innocent people of the Capital Wasteland. And so, Lyons sent word to his superiors that he would continue his search for technology when he was damned good and ready, and would not sacrifice the people who had come to rely on the bravery and strength of the Brotherhood of Steel.
The Californian corridors of Lost Hills erupted in rumor and speculation. Had Owyn Lyons "gone native," putting the needs of the people of D.C. above those of the Brotherhood itself? Or had a Brotherhood Elder finally exhibited the selfless behavior that should serve as a model for the entire order? Caught in the middle, the ruling Elders made the only decision they could - they would still recognize Elder Lyons as a leader of the Brotherhood of Steel, and the Citadel as their D.C. headquarters. But all support from the West Coast was thereby cut off. If Lyons wanted to pursue his own agenda on the East Coast, he would do it alone.
So that's what the stalwart Elder did. The Capital Wasteland division of the Brotherhood of Steel, headquartered in the Citadel, became its own entity: still affiliated with the Brotherhood of Steel on the West Coast, and bound by its laws and customs, but otherwise completely independent.
Most of Elder Lyons' soldiers supported his dedication to the people of the Capital Wasteland, and were proud of their leader's commitment to honor and heroism. But there were those who voiced their opposition - loudly, and aggressively. They believed that by abandoning the Brotherhood of Steel's primary mission of acquiring new technologies, Elder Lyons had abandoned the very values that defined the order itself.
One night, the dissenters departed from the Citadel, absconding with weapons, Power Armor, and other pieces of technology and equipment. This was, without question, Owyn Lyons' darkest hour. He had become a man of compassion and understanding, and couldn't help but sympathize with those who had left: he had abandoned the Brotherhood's primary mission. He recognized that, and took full responsibility. Some of the Knights and Paladins who left had been his battle brothers for years. Together, they had shared victory and loss, pain and elation. But to those soldiers loyal to Elder Lyons, this dereliction of duty and theft of technology was an act of cowardice and treason. Lyons was left with little choice: he branded the dissenters "Outcasts," traitors to the Brotherhood of Steel - it was a name they would ultimately wear like a badge of honor, proud of the distance it put between themselves and Lyons' "soldier sycophants."
Such is the state of the Brotherhood of Steel when you, the player, enter the picture, in the year 2277. The order is still dedicated to the protection of the people. Its members are tough, loyal, and bound by honor... and they're also barely scraping by.
Elder Lyons' daughter Sarah is now a grown woman, and one of the Brotherhood's fiercest warriors; in fact, she's the only member to have achieved the illustrious rank of Sentinel, and now commands her own elite squad, Lyons' Pride.
The war with the Super Mutants - a conflict that has continued unceasingly for over twenty years - rages on, and the Brotherhood is feeling the strain of this extended conflict. Without reinforcements from the West Coast, Lyons has been forced to recruit locally, and the results have been less than stellar: most new conscripts are overeager, unskilled, or both, and as a result their survival rate is atrocious. So low, in fact, that that word has spread throughout the Capital Wasteland - join the Brotherhood of Steel, and you'll be dead within the week.
The Outcasts have grown in power since their split from the Citadel, and have re-dedicated their lives to what they consider the Brotherhood of Steel's only mission - the acquisition of new technologies.
It's certainly not how Elder Owyn Lyons expected his life to turn out, not the way he imagined his command would be chronicled in the historical archives. Such is a career of a Brotherhood of Steel Elder.
Now, only one question remains - When the Brotherhood of Steel Scribes record the events to come, what will they say about you?
Note: I have Bolded The information regarding the East Coast Mission.
I guess I'm in a minority here, because I actually liked the look of the generic NCR trooper armor better than the ranger gear (not that I dislike the ranger gear)
Really?
Mostly its a misinterpretation and/or retcon of the Brotherhood of Steel as presented to that point in order to justify their completely inexplicable decision to send an expedition to the other side of an unexplored continent that raises as many questions as it answers.
Yeah and my friend enjoyed Hunger Games, and I thought it was rubbish, so eye of the beholder.
The only thing I didn't like about Ranger armors were the cardboard trenchcoats that looked like the NCR starched them for a few years before using them. Fallout 4 looks like it'll have some physics on fabrics so if someone mods them into 4, they'll look a lot cooler.
Well, I think that depends on how...vintage...Those jackets are. They could be Back When surplus. I have this old duster my uncle had, been in the sun for like ever, and it's not exactly supple. Leather plus weather.
That its a misinterpretation or retcon of the Brotherhood of Steel is not in the eye of beholder.
Nor is the fact that its still unclear and completely unexplained in the profile or game as to how the Brotherhood heard anything about the state of affairs in D.C. in the first place let alone reliable information that would justify sending a large force of soldiers to the other side of an unexplored continent.
What I'm saying is some people like the EC BOS, retcon or not be damned, and some folk don't.
Me, I like 'em just fine, retcon be damned, middle finger raised in the face of old canon.
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I don't know, it seems kinda hinted by the ghoul at 1:33 inhttps://youtu.be/xpm9qGDBEA8?t=92. Could be nothing though.
They have access to a variety of Old World military bases, likely full of info in computer terminals. You don't think any of those might contain information about the Pentagon or defense projects like Liberty Prime? Or that a faction dedicated to the hoarding of pre-war tech (specifically weapons) wouldn't be interested? Or that, after they helped the NCR sack Navarro, they wouldn't be curious where all the power armored dudes in those vertibirds they liked so much went?
If it's accepted that people can cross the country, however uncommon that might be, they'd definitely bring rumors of the Capital Wasteland. The rumors of Super Mutants would get the Brotherhood's attention, and they probably already knew the Pentagon was worth investigating. So, they sent a small contingent to explore eastwards (something they did before when they sent a contingent to the Midwest). And when that contingent discovered Liberty Prime at the Pentagon, the Elders in the west decided to promote Lyons to an Elder and ordered him to establish a permanent base in DC; a few years later, they cut off support for Lyons after he decided to ignore their original mission and protect the people of the Wasteland.
And what's so hard to believe about a Brotherhood Elder growing a conscience and deciding to use all of his group's advanced tech to do some good in the wasteland? Especially when that decision cost him the support of the Brotherhood on the west coast and caused a damn mutiny; Bethesda did not characterize the Brotherhood of Steel as a group of "white knights" that unanimously decided to save the Capital Wasteland. I see no retcons, just a change in direction from a splinter faction of the main Brotherhood.
That they have access to a variety of old world military bases is by itself dubious but even if we assume they do they clearly didn't know anything about Liberty Prime because they didn't expect to find it. Assuming the Brotherhood is interested in hoarding pre-war tech to the exclusion of all other concerns is the retcon or misinterpretation I'm talking about. Examine the Brotherhood actions regarding the Glow in Fallout 1 and tell me how that fits with the eastern expedition in Fallout 3 or how an expedition over 2000 miles away can do anything to help the West Coast no matter how much tech they've found or how they heard about super mutants in D.C. in the first place.
The Enclave was presumed dead and had nothing to do with their mission anyway. No one knew an organized Enclave force had fled east.
It wasn't accepted at all up until Fallout 3 hence my point about retcons/misinterpretations. Even if we accept that travelers have made the trip it is unclear as to how the Brotherhood a reclusive xenophobic organization would acquire much information from them, why they would accept these accounts as reliable and worth sending a full expedition across an uncharted continent or why they would assume the Pentagon or D.C. was worth investigating at all. The logical conclusion would be that the Pentagon was a smoking crater not that there would valuable tech left two centuries after the war.
Curiously I never said anything about Lyons' decision to protect the Capital Wasteland as being unbelievable simply that the process that brought the Brotherhood to the East Coast in the first place makes little sense with the Brotherhood as seen in Fallout up to that point and makes little sense on its own terms as presented in the faction profile. That all this was done to establish a faction that has little in common with the Brotherhood of Steel anyway has always struck me as hilarious although I understand the developers' reasoning behind it.
And that's fine but changes nothing about it being a retcon or misinterpretation and that the reasoning and explanation for the expedition is lacking regardless. You can of course like whatever you want.
Honestly, it's not hard for me to believe that any powerful faction, NCR included, wouldn't at least send a small expeditionary force to explore the rest of America. Just to see what was there, at least. You don't want to create a powerful new government from the ashes of the Old World just to find out that your neighbors are into ethnic cleansing and just happen to have an orbital laser. To that end, I don't think we'd see the NCR in any significant capacity; but I wouldn't be outraged if we had a few encounters with an NCR exploration team.
The Brotherhood was neither a powerful faction (by Fallout 2 they were in decline) nor interested in creating a new government or ruling over anyone. It really wouldn't be practical for any post-war entity that we know of to just throw expeditionary forces (and instead of having them return once the area has been scouted maintain them where they can do nothing to help you) across more than two thousand miles of uncharted post-apocalyptic wasteland let alone a reclusive, xenophobic, declining faction of limited numbers who thought exploring the Glow too risky.
I think groups in decline or, in the Brotherhood's case, opposed by regimes in power (the NCR) have good reason https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_pioneers . Caesar makes it sound like he ran into some Brotherhood in his territory. Though unstated in 3, after New Vegas came out I felt the NCR-BoS war might explain part of why they would be out exploring.
If you're fighting a war it is generally not common to divide your forces in two across an entire continent in which one part is not even engaging that enemy. If the Brotherhood of Steel had been forced to make a great migration to the to escape their enemies and ended up in D.C. that would be a sound explanation for their presence on the East Coast. It is not what we got.
Then there's the mention of why they sent Arthur Maxson to Lyons; there was some internal conflict within the Brotherhood that made it dangerous for Maxson to stay in the West.
So the Brotherhood was in decline, and there were internal conflicts within the Brotherhood's leadership. Maybe the expedition to the east coast was done out of some desperation? New Vegas showed us that the Brotherhood, as a faction of isolationist tech hoarders, can't sustain itself; so either the Brotherhood of Steel would have to change into something different, or there wouldn't be a Brotherhood in the future. I imagine the Lyons brotherhood and the Midwest Brotherhood are probably going to outlive the traditionalist brotherhood.
(now I'm discovering I've stopped caring about whether or not the Brotherhood was retconned... and we've kinda strayed off the topic of the NCR a little bit)