What Do You Think Would Happen If The NCR Sent Scouts All The Way To The Capital Wasteland And Saw The Citadel?

Ok Let Me refrase It. Say A Small Group Of NCR troops Met A Small Group Of East Coast Brotherhood in some random Place, lets say Ohio. They Are Both Sent Out As Scouting Partys And The Are Both Well Armed. What Then?

With the war between the NCR, and the BoS I don't think they would enteract with them enough to find out there different. Odds are the only reason the NCR would scout that far would be because of a heavy dose of manifest destiny. At that point it may not matter what they found out about the EBoS branch...

they'd be eaten by the mutant overlord which always hangs around it.....

but yeah, unless the NCR and Brotherhood made up (during the events of New Vegas for instance) then its likely that they wouldn't go near when they saw the symbol of the Brotherhood

The lone Wanderer would mess their s@%!# up if they tried anything on the brotherhood.

They would wage war with the East Coast Brotherhood just by virtue of how annoying they are. Hell, the West Coast Brotherhood would wage worth with the East because the East is that annoying.

If NCR just sent scouts and saw the Citadel? They would do nothing, they are a scouting force they would make note and move on. NCR would years later get those scout reports and say "interesting, well there's nothing we can do seeing as they are over 2000 miles away!."

If by some way the NCR took an entire army to the east coast the NCR would Lose so badly because:

The BOS has power armor possibly Hellfire which is the most advanced power armor so far.
The NCR's numerical advantage they had to use to defeat the BOS at Helios is gone
The NCR are fighting urban warfare in the Brotherhood's backyard
Also the Brotherhood have all the allies from being the savior of the Capital Wasteland.
They captured Vertibirds and plasma weaponry from the Enclave
And if worst comes to worse and they can't get Liberty Prime up and running again then they could always threaten the NCR with Mothership Zeta's death-ray.

so yeah BOS>NCR.

This scenario is most likely to happen if they ever stumble across eachother. Jeez they were annoying.

The PA in FO3 is not more advanced then PA in FO New Vegas. I don't know where people are getting that info from, if its the Vault they are wrong.
BoS in the East have crap armour unlike the BoS at Helios that had T-51b armour. NCR does have PA they captured from Western BoS or found on their own.
NCR also fights Urban War so I don't see your point there.
The BoS "Allies" are a joke they have no good armours and only weapons are hunting rifles while NCR could have the SHI as an Ally.
NCR also has Vertibirds and plasma weaponry captured from Navarro, Its also very likely that NCR is now making their own plasma weapons and Vertibirds.
I am not even going to dignify that with a response, Optimus prime and Alien Motherships :facepalm:

If you don't like Liberty Prime, you hate freedom, and if you hate freedom, you hate liberty, therefore if one can only have liberty or death as according to Freedomologist Patrick Henry you are DEAD.

I see your point but the Hellfire armor was developed at the end of Fallout 3 due to ED-E so why would the Enclave waste time developing an inferior model of Power Armor

True but T-45d is better than downgraded T-45d with no servo's.

I wasn't really clear on that so what i meant was the BOS knows the terrain better than NCR ever will.

Ok you got me there but if the BOS put some power armor on them it would work at least as cannon fodder.

The NCR does have a vertibird but they don't have them in the quantity or they have no weapons because the NCR didn't use them against the Legion. Also no one can actually make new plasma rifles
because they would require advanced pre war manufacturing facilities which would have to be completely intact.

The Mothership would only be a threat because we dont know how to aim the death-ray. Also Liberty Prime could possibly be working in the at least 10+ years that it would take the NCR to expand to the east in an invasion size.

Hellfire is crap as well. Enclave seemed to waste their time make those "Enclave PA" tin cans they have in FO3.

Why would the BoS give outsiders PA Lyons might be a good "white knight" but I doubt even he would let outsiders that don't join the bos armour.

We don't know how many NCR has or why they don't use them against the Legion but it is possible NCR can make their own and make their own plasma weapons. NCR is very big and is the size of West Coast. Its possible they have their Vertibirds else where. Brining in Vertibirds against a faction like Caesar could show the rest of NCR things arn't going well.

Liberty Prime is the Prime example of Beth not being able to make a clear story. The Pre-War American military could not get it working and they had years to do so. BoS with half their men and under attack by super mutants in a few years was able to get it working? HOW?!!! and when it goes boom all they need are camera flash bulbs and scrap metal to fix it :banghead: :blink:

Mothership Zeta is just wrong and I am not going to go into that.

Some things just come by chance, look at the invention of the microwave, also, CANON!

In response to the arguements about the fight between the east brotherhood and the NCR

Power armor is out of the question, the NCR heavy troopers have the same crap as any brotherhood goonie

But still, as said they are thousands and THOUSANDS of miles away, and they would be sending SCOUTS who would probably be shot down if there was any hostility

I do believe Liberty Prime could be fixed within ten years, the death ray would probably be out of the question considering one shot would not only destroy all of california, it would destroy anything within 100s of miles. Did you SEE that blast?
Also, if you havent noticed, NCR troops are crap, they are no tougher than raiders, and they wouldnt last a second in the city. Fallout 3 was undeniably a more hostile area than fallout new vegas, due to the lack of good weaponry. Its a fact, the guns were much stronger in fallout new vegas.

What? :confused: I don't buy the idea that the BoS could do something the pre-war military could not. Also New Vegas shows Mr.House was part of LP project so Mr.House and is billions and companies and the USA army and their Billions and their people could not get it working and yet Lyons could? And How? Plus they can fix it with Cameras and Scrap metal? No, sorry I am not going with "Chance."

silly? oh yeah bhuuut

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wait what type of canon/cannon are we talking about here.....

personally I like this one

http://www.thortrains.net/armymen/artygun8.jpg

There is actually a really good fanfic out there about a Sergeant from the NCR Ranger being sent to scout and investigate the Brotherhood's activities on the East Coast.

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5074902/1/New_California_Dreaming

I think it is fairly realistic. The best that they can do is to collect information and intel, that is about it. It will take decades if not centuries for the NCR to be developed enough to get all the way to the DC area, by that time generations have passed and I think both sides will be rational enough to have diplomatic talks instead of shooting each others on sight.

Okay lets say the NCR gets a wild hair up its butt, finds a book on old school America, and decides it needs to rule coast to coast.

Now lets for the sake of this arguement they say "Screw mid America we want the coasts, and B-lines right for the DC area.

Okay best case for both sides...
Lets say Prime is working again.
Lets say they have access to Mothership Zeta... /facepalm
Lets say the NCR curbstomped the Legion, and took New Vegas.
Lets say the NCR learn about Helios One's weapon capability...

Mkay Mothership Zeta issue... There is no way to control the laser. There is no way Lyon in all his goody goody'ness would allow that kind of weapon to be used even if he could pinpoint the blast.
Prime... Prime makes for a great attacking unit. If the enemy has a base then Prime would rock it to hell and back.
However it is to destructive to be used as a defensive unit. All it would take would be for an NCR spy/ranger to slip into the open arms of Lyon's BoS, and sabatoge it beyond working...

Do we know if Helios One has a range? If it does then well its just a top notch defensive unit when not in the hands of a nice guy... and there are no nice guys in the upper ranks of the NCR. If it does not have a range... then EBoS would not even see the blast coming.

The NCR would send one of their ambassadors. Probably one they didn't like much.

The EBOS would probably turn him away, but they'd stubbonly set up shop just outside the citadel and eventually some sort of discussions would happen, but given the lack of common interest (different territory, limited ability to operate a trade route, limited resoruces of interest in the captial wasteland) not much would come of it, and it would remain a "punishment assignment" - a place you put people that are too connected to get nothing, but not good enough to be given any real work.

Van Graffs?

Remember we're talking 200 years later - theres no reason why the NCR couldnt build a pre war quality factory. They have the skills and knowhow.

How do you know they have the knowhow?

Also the Gun Runners but they stopped because their caravans kept being hit. Then whats left of the Enclave and I am sure the Shi know as well.

They have at least 2 GECKS (which contain the entire library of Congress - which isn't just the minutes of the house and the senate, its a big library that has books on pretty much any subject you'd care to name), a vault learning system (if they can repair it, I think they can)) and have fasioned a very modern looking city in the desert, what they learned from the bortherhood before the war, and whatever else they found along the way.

If they can build power plants (which we do see in FO2), and a city where force fields replace gates (which we also see in FO2), I think a factory to build the components of same is a given.

The NCR would be destroyed... no comments