The NCR would win the Second Battle

Post » Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:00 am

I'm not quite sure the Legion would win the Second Battle using the House/Independent endings and some common sense. The Veteran Rangers are just about the baddest things walking in the waste and the NCR's Power Armor units are really a good match against Caesar's Centurions in the closed spaces of the Dam with their ability to mass concentrate fire stronger than troopers AND absorb more melee damage. Forlorn Hope would probably fall but considering the VR, First Recon and Heavy Troopers are there as well it would only be from lack of resources (the troopers would run out of ammo) not lack of force. Most of the NCR posted their would probably still be alive after a strategic retreat.

Honestly even the Legion getting into the Dam during the Second Battle isn't going to help them much in winning. The NCR regular troopers there IN the Dam are going to chop down Legions of the Legion from concentrated fire that doesn't need more than 6 weeks basic to be effective. Yes the Legion would have a melee advantage for a short time before they're shot down by the rest of the squad. To make matters worse NCR radio is effectively coordinating all the damn squads in the Dam making the Legion job even harder coming from the intake towers. Then move onto the traps Oliver has in his office along with the VR there and Heavy NCR troopers and that's a lot of dead Legion. I'm not sure they'd be able to get through all that without the courier.

Moving past that on top of the Dam you have the Rangers killing off the Legion's best fighters; Centurions. And laughably the Centurions are trying to match the Rangers in medium range fighting with their Anti Material Rifles. Considering the vast amount of skill the Rangers have in well [censored] shooting vs the Centurions I doubt the Centurions would make much ground. Camp Golf would also fall for the same reason as Camp Forlorn; the failure of NCR troopers. In this case the ending says they desert but Hanlon and the Rangers obviously survive and do quite well in holding off the Legion themselves. In any case I'd expect a strategic retreat in this case as well with minimal NCR causalities and probably more deaths from NCR court martial down the line.

The only NCR position that would be weakened/overrun would be McCarran and yes Oliver's strategy was counting on reinforcements from there but that wasn't going to happen anyway since the Legion blocked the road west. In any case the reinforcements aren't even needed. I'm doubtful without the courier the Legion could realistically kill ALL the NCR at Hoover Dam, especially since without the courier Oliver wouldn't call a retreat. Further the game endings don't really indicate they destroy Forlorn Hope or Golf. Without House/the Courier [censored] things up at that meeting at Legate's Camp the NCR wouldn't of mass withdrew from the region. And without the courier helping Caesar they sure as hell wouldn't be slaughtered in the same way.

Hell for example, Boone's unit; First Recon survives Forlorn Hope under the House ending because it states he thinks about rejoining it. So ending data and common sense tell us the NCR shouldn't be counted out when it comes to the Second Battle. The fact remains the majority if not super majority of NCR troops and Rangers would still be alive even after they lose positions like Golf and Forlorn. Further NCR communications and organization ensure disorganization won't follow. The only NCR position basically destroyed is McCarran but that's irrelevant to the Second Battle in the end.

The Legion wouldn't be able to hold Hoover Dam and certainly wouldn't be able to take Vegas. In lue of an order to retreat which only the courier can produce, the NCR would either win the Second Battle (which they have a high chance of doing really with a proper counteroffensive or even a strong enough defense during the Second Battle.) or die to the last man in the sands of the Mojave effectively destroying the Legion in the process.
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Post » Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:56 am

I Would have to say your reasoning behind the Ncr is reasonable. I mean If ceaser were to die of his tumor before then It wouldbeverypossible. Not to mention the amount of reinforcements the Ncr can send. Plus if you were to add the courier in the mix Im going for pro ncr always pro ncr. You would have the best possible outcome too.
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Post » Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:09 pm

I doubt Caesar is any good if me and my good bud boone can take out his entire camp and kill him ourselves WITHOUT NCR backup :)
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