The nerevarine is an agent of entropy. He tore down the gods of Morrowind, responsible for greatly weakening the barriers, and herald the Red Year. Things came to an end under him.

Now, whether you consider entropy evil or not is your decision, but the end is always inevitable, all things move towards entropy.

Wouldn't Dagoth Ur have been torn down once Dagoth Ur turned on Megatron?

No, that wouldn't have been entropy. Dagoth Ur turning into megatron would putting energy to build up something, as opposed to the natural tenancy to degrade, which the nerevarine caused.

Dagoth Ur the location would have been destroyed by activating megatron, which would remove the tower stone. I don't think Dag the dude was going to become a gundam or anything, he wanted to worship his megazord as well. So I'm thinking either Dag dude turns on his reaper and destroys Dagoth Ur in doing so, giving the nerevarine a boss fight at the end of Morrowind, or the nerevarine destroys Dagoth Ur after taking the heart tower stone and knocking over Dag the dude.

yeah....none of this disproves that the nerevarine was an agent of entropy, and I am at a loss as to why this relates to my original point.

EDIT: Unless you mean Red Mountain would have blown anyway. If this is the case, it still doesn't disprove my point.

I'm meaning that all those things would have happened with or without the Nerevarine. It's not disproving your point, it's just taking the importance out of the nerevarine. If the reaper did wake up, it would slay the Dark Elf gods, wreak havoc over Morrowind, and get killed by the ministry of love falling from the sky. There would be the same results as if the nerevarine stopped him from waking in the first place. He could be an agent of entropy, but not a lot changes either way.

Technically, a lot would change. If Dagoth Ur remained in power, there's no reason to believe he couldn't have used his own divine power to prevent the Ministry from crashing into the ground. There's also no reason to think the current situation of the weakening Tribunal and Akulakhan nearing completion was something he was in a hurry to change.

If he had completed Akulakhan before the Ministry crashed, he would have used it to conquer Tamriel instantaneously- that's the power of the Numidium.

Also, remember that Red Mountain erupted once before, and that Dagoth Ur was, according to evidence, at ground zero of that eruption. There's no evidence the second eruption WOULD have killed him. And Numidium also survived that, meaning Akulakhan would likely have survived as well.

But such power was never mentioned, he saw it as a symbol and champion. And it lacked the divine flesh that the original had, the flesh that the Dwemer had been regressed into.


As I recall, the eruption of Sun's Death (unless you're talking about another eruption) supposedly happened before Dagoth Ur became a god. On the other hand, both the Dwemer and Chimer, as well as a large number of structures of Daedric, Velothi, and Dwemer origin also survived Sun's Death.

Dagoth Ur the person wouldn't have remained in power according to his writings, he was going to worship his megazord like everyone else. With the heart powering the battlebot, it wouldn't be providing power to the little gods. If he turns it on, he's out of the picture. If the nerevarine destroys the heart, Dagoth the person is still out of the picture. Dagoth Ur the location fails to be a tower anymore in either case, I don't expect it would erupt unless the ministry of peace hits the ground. Dag dude wouldn't stop the ministry because he doesn't know about it.

The last rock-em sock-em robot couldn't conquer Tamriel, how could this one? Agents of the emperor can activate dragon breaks with a fart and a dance, it wouldn't matter if robosaurus did conquer something.

Red mountain is Dagoth Ur. The Tower. Dagoth Ur the elf is named after Dagoth Ur the place.

i think nerevarine isnt good or bad, he is just a revolutionair, because...

he chainces things.... ;S

How could the Nerevarine caused the oblivion crisis?

he banished the Heart, which turned off the Red Tower, which destabilized the barriers between Mundus and Oblivion. the barriers were weak enough for the emperor's death to cause an actual disruption, which was enough for the Mythic Dawn to do their thing. http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/nu-hatta_nu-mantia.shtml#3

Each Sixth House member was covered in divine skin.

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theres a thats what she said in here somewhere

Bleh, I tried not going there, but you just had to! Damn evil nerevar squirrels, trying to take over the world! You're lucky that dogs can't look up.

They all tried the butter shave.

You can't judge a person's character based upon the outcome of their actions, but upon the intention of the action.

The other way around actually. Dagoth Ur the place is named after Dagoth Ur the person. (Lord Voryn Dagoth, Lord High Councilor. "Ur" being the title of the "Lord" of Great House Dagoth)

And he was well aware of the Ministry of Truth hovering over Vivec. Like the Emperor, he has eyes and ears throughout Vvardenfell. While I don't agree with his methods, I believe he cared enough about Morrowind that he would have done something about it once his war with the Tribunal was over.

You could argue Dagoth Ur is well-intentioned, from a certain, anti-Empire pro-Dunmer point of view- all he wants is to liberate Morrowind.

It's less about intentions and more about how they go about seeing their intentions fulfilled. A Skooma smuggler who's trying to feed his family is certainly well-intentioned, but his means are not the best, therefore he's not considered "good", but "gray".


Dagoth Ur certainly cared about Morrowind, but he was so crazy he likely would have seen the eruption of Red Mountain as "cleansing" out the impurities that the Empire had put into Dunmeri culture- the land itself throwing out the Imperial menace and returning them to the "true Dunmer". As a counterpoint, Azura cared about the Dunmer more than any other god, but she still created a prophecy that ended up with most the Dunmer being destroyed.

Still, the Nerevarine isn't good or evil, it's how you play him. If you were to, say, roleplay a Nerevarine who has read the sermons and wants nothing more than the Ministry to kill everybody, you're certainly evil. If you roleplay a Nerevarine who knew nothing about this event, who only saw the immediate threat, you're good, if a little short-sighted. Arguably, defeating Dagoth Ur is the lesser of two evils, as Dagoth Ur was going to infect the whole of Tamriel with Corprus and turn it into a theocracy worshiping him and/or Akulakhan.

No, just Akulakhan. Ur was just to be the high priest.

In a sense, there cannot really be a one "simple" answer, as we all play the character differently (hence the various options we are given during the Main Quest play).

I'm leaning to the mindset that the Nerevarine is driven. Like madness, some are born through damages, some are made through acts and actions, and in some cases, some are driven that way through self limiting causes and effects that left no room for sanity after.

When I played, it was surely a cornucopia of moral challenges as there were options left that I didn't care for at all, and each subsequent gameplay has changed because of the emotions garnered in the first characters. After talking to the Mabrigash (when they did not attack immediately), I give them a wide berth because their views are hardly worthy of extermination. MCA's companions caused me to rethink some of the Daedra I killed upon attack, and the poor Dreamers unless feral with madness are just left alone as I chameleon or go invisible to walk around them.

After talking to Vivec though, they should have left a clear option to spit at his feet. Nothing worse than a mortal made into a god who forgets that he did so via the act. He wasn't born or created that way, just aggrandized an opportunity.

Neither. One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorizing rebel. It all depends on the perspective.

Was the Oblivion Crisis really that bad? Didn't it result in Martin abolishing the dodgy Dragon Fire mechanics and help to further stabilize Nirn? But that resulted in the loss of the Septim line and plunged Cyrodiil into chaos. Well, so? Only those loyal to the Empire would mourn its loss; the other provinces were probably pleased as punch to get their autonomy back and say goodbye to repressive dragon emperors.

It all depends on what you consider good or bad to be honest.

...except that when the Oblivion Crisis happened, most of the provinces had only just gotten around to removing the daggers from each other's backs from the last time they had (near-) autonomy, when Jagar Tharn was in charge.