It destroyed a nation and apparently caused the Oblivion crisis. Was it's existence beneficial ? Was it even the real Nerevarine ?

I'm newish to TES lore, but I've seen the argument that it stopped the world from become a smoldering pile of ash. Or something.

So I guess it was kind of a win/lose

It depends. He saved the world from Dagoth Ur and his Akulakhan, but the Dunmer have now lost their country, and their gods, and things don't look good for their culture. Good for world, immediately bad for dunmer, but it could lead to a much better dunmer culture in the end, one that is much more open and accepting.

no one is completely good or completely bad. the nerevarine did what he had to (what he was destined to), nothing more, nothing less.

How did the Nerevarine cause the Oblivion crisis?

And, referring to his deposing of the Tribunal, much worse would have happened if Dagoth Ur had not been defeated, and the Rogue Moon (Baar Dau?) would have crashed once he conquered Morrowind.

No it wouldn't, that type of suspended animation was reached through the utilization of CHIM, not that of the Doom Drum.

I think the orginal myth of the Nerevarine was worse then the one that really came. In the myth he was to drive all non-dunmer from morrowind, but the one that came killed the false gods, stopped dagoth Ur from taking over Tamriel and protected people. Id say he was good. Though I do say the Vivec was still alright, though it is not required of the Nerevarine to kill him.

Though you have to agree, the Nerevarine does cause Red Mountain to explode destroying much of Morrowind, simply because he took away vivec's power to hold the rock above vivec in place.

He removed Red Tower, one of the anchoring points that holds the barrier between the Mundus and Oblivion up. The Mythic Dawn then only had to remove White Tower by killing the Emperor. Once two or three of them fall, the barriers become much less stable and long lasting gates can be opened.

The situation ended up as thus:
Have the world taken over as blight from a second Numidium
Have the world from Mehrunes Dagon

Considering the first Numidium could only be destroyed by another Numidium or a part of it, while MD was beaten quite regularly, I'd say getting rid of MD was an easier task. As for MW, it was the dunmer's fault for forgetting Love.

How could you judge someones morals by something out of their control. the Nerevarine was a pawn. the moon would of crashed anyways. Now Azura has some serious problems though.

It wasn't the Nerevarine's fault, they were screwed either way. Sheogorath always gets the last laugh.


Azura merely pushed things in the way that they were leaning in the first place. I view her not as much of a chessmaster as a prophet who takes an active role to ensure that what they foresee will come to fruition.

As I always say, Azura is a highly petty prince.

I wonder if Uriel Septim VII wasn't planning to steal Akulakhan for himself. That tedious incarnate ruined it all.

But the xenophobia and overwhelming arrogance is what made the Dunmer so cool in the first place.

I can live without that if their culture become even more bizarre and alien

It's just crazy though, after learning so much about the Great Houses, and the way the Dunmer society is organized and ran, for it to all just be history.

I prefer to think it was their hardiness and perseverance in the face of danger and hardship/

actually he did drive all the non dunmer from morrowind in a way. he first helped to cause the oblivion crisis which in turn helped lead to the demise of the septim empire and then afther this he also helped contribute to the loss of love of vivec and once the moon fell all the non dunmer where driven from morrowind so in the end even if it wasn't his intention he did fulfill the prophesy

Keep moving scum. :glare:

We're watching you.

You better do what they say

Citizennnnnn

What's good for the Empire is good for business, citizen.

..what? You think I'd quote some fanatic inquisitor?

What better way to drive the outlanders out of Morrowind than by blowing up Morrowind?
Seems to me the Nevervarine did everything he was supposed to.

But to answer the original question, I think it all depends on who you talk to, and how long-term you look at things.
To some, the Neravarine was a jerk who became a werewolf and gutted Fargoth and stole his home (for example, not that I ever did it :shiftyeyes:), wheras to others he was a hero who saved the Empire (and also led to its downfall), whereas others might see him (one day) as the one responsible for creating the bonds of friendship between the Nords of Solstheim and the Dunmer.

I look at it like this: he takes down the false gods whether by killing or ripping their power from them and saying," This is what you call power? What a joke." Nerevarine goes the am army of zombies, pretty much, takes down Mad Dr. Frankenstein, Dagoth Ur. He overcomes hordes of werewolves, A Daedric God. Nereverine ends up being the Destroyer of Worlds, the God Killer, the Savior of all Tamriel kind. By the time he's finished no "God" is going to mess with him cause they don't want to join the likes of Lorkahn, you don't see Mehrunes Dagon saying "bring it on" do you? They don't wanna become a lifetime member of the Dead God Gallery. The way I see it, it doesn't get more bad-ass then that, he can be bad or good cause no one is going to question him.