I diddnt see anything in the gameplay video that would suggest the game was not suitable for a 12 year old.

Uh, I wouldn't care if it gets sold here. What I do care about is how explicit the manual is, if the game is disguised enough like the real instructions can only be found online or something then sure. Then again there's the nasty don't want to touch that wii mote ever again thing. So I'll list that as the primary cause of not wanting this here.

Except you know wii games explain the controls e.g shake nunchuck side to side in zelda to do a spin attack. So then you end up with 12 year olds doing the crap from the trailer, thats [censored] up, in a game like say CoD your pulling a trigger of a controler, in we dare, your spanking people, big difference, just becuase the game isnt showing spanking on the screen dosent change the fact it makes you spank people for minigames.

You dont have to spank someone to play the game.

Pulling a trigger! That's just like imitating pulling the trigger of a real gun. Pulling a trigger is nothing.. tell that to all the parents who lost their kids to guns in youth violence.

Wiimote suppositories; wave of the future, baby!

That.

I was listening to the radio earlier and there was a lady on there talking about the game, she demoed it, and she said theres nothing bad or sixual in the game.

That's the weird thing about this, it's not in the game itself. It's just suggested that the players should do those things in a sixy way, even if the same can be achieved by just pressing buttons the normal way.

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I dont see anything weird about it *shrug* Mabey I'm weird.

What I find weird is people, mainly old people (dont take offence older crowd on here) trip over this game but I hear Rihanna's S&M song during the day on the radio.. :thumbsup:

:whistling: I may be bad but I'm perfectly good at it... .... sticks and stones may break my bones, but chains and whips excites me..

:shrug:

the chances are, people who by this type of game, dont have sixy friends to play it with anyway. or friends at all for that matter :teehee:

Lol that song has been censored where I live - too explicit for young ears. They changed the title to "Come On" and the words "whips" "chains" and "six" have been edited out.

I jsut heard the song today for the first time. And, I heard it on the radio, on what is probably the most popular radio station here.

:shrug: The edited version was played on Radio 1 - some DJs have made it a feature where they add in their own pairings into the censored section. "meat and veg"/"Ant and Dec"/"Wallace and Gromit" excite me etc. Apparently Rihanna was pretty annoyed when she heard it had been censored, kicked off on twitter or something.

http://www.theedge.co.nz/Rihannas-SM-censored-after-ban/tabid/198/articleID/11802/Default.aspx

I'm blown away. I thought I knew the people on this forum well enough to be able to predict where most would stand on most topics. For the most part, you guys are pretty liberal. Freedom of expression seems to ring loud in these halls for most things, but not with sixual themes. I often see terms such as 'Who cares what they think? If you like it, do it! (wear it, eat it, etc. etc.)

After reading a good chunk of responses, I'm left wondering why? Why is this game bad? Is it the rating it received? Would the responses be different if it was 16+ or 18+ or even 21+? Is it the sixual themes regardless of age?

I see Rhianna's 'S&M' mentioned. It's a fairly mainstream song about something that's been blocked on MTV. (See: 30 Seconds to Mars 'Hurricane'. They wont play the directors cut, or the 'edited' version of the directors cut which is a very powerful video.)

I personally think the game looks like a LOT of fun. Maybe because I'm a college age male? Perhaps I'm overly liberal about sixual themes, maybe I'm just an exhibitionist but I stand firmly on my soap-box preaching freedom of expression and anti-censorship. Who is this game going to hurt? If I play it in the privacy of my house with another couple, who's morals are being strained? Who am I disrupting? Who am I hurting?

While I can jump on the '12 is too young' boat, I think if the age rating were the issue that was pushed rather than the game itself, it would make a lot more sense. Sure! The Wii has a lot of family games, but it's not for children per se. The Wii released titles such as CoD: WaW and Manhunt which of course were banned in some countries, but not in the U.S. where this game is banned. I find that odd, but apparently that's America's culture. I'm disappointed that I'm going to miss out on such a party game because the U.S. doesn't like sixual themes.

So I sit here wondering, hoping all of you nay-sayers still check on this thread and can give me the answers to the questions floating about my head.

Do you REALLY want to touch a Wii mote after some people get done "playing" that game. Who knows what overtime and bonus extended minigames it might be brought into. *shudders* So gross. I wouldn't have a problem with it if I was sure that 1. No kids could figure out it's true intention 2. It comes with a free Wii mote just for mom and dad.

Well I'd assume I'd be playing it, so I have no problem with touching my lips. (Or any other part of my body, freely I might add *Stands proudly*)

Let's assume for a second that you don't live with mom and dad (or that they don't play the Wii at all, regardless of living arrangements.) Would that change your stance on the product? If no, let's assume the rating is changed to 18+. Does that change your view of the game?

No, just because my parents don't play it doesn't mean I all of a sudden don't care. So no, I would still insist on it having those 2 things. I don't care what its rating is either, so long as only the advlts can get to the instructions on how to play and the kids can't. Can be rated E-AO for the actual game play content I don't care, it's the instructions on how to play and the Wii mote that bother me.

For me, the game just seems bad . I'm an advlt with what I believe is a healthy attitude to six and I still think it's a crappy idea for a video game lol. As a bit of fun with mates, it seems weird, and as a bit of sixy fun, it seems awkward and weird.
The fact that people (esp. the media) focus on the age rating is inevitable - they marketed a game as a "sixy party game" (IIRC that was the genre in one of the other links provided) and the age rating is 12. However, as many commenters on the news site I posted mentioned, 12 year olds don't really earn their own money, and parents are still responsible for what they buy. I think the game looks like crap, so I wouldn't buy it - I'm an advlt with my own tastes and money, so I can make that decision. Even if they pushed it up to 15 they would still focus on it, probably linking video games to teenage pregnancies or something (really wouldn't surprise me).
As to the Rihanna song, on the one hand I really like it lol, so my first reaction was negative concerning the censorship. However, there's no denying it's a raunchy song. I think the artists who have their songs threatened with censorship should be given options - have the song censored or agree to have it played past the watershed. That way if they want the coverage they can have it, or keep the song as they envisioned it. Censoring it without her knowledge seems unfair to me. Thing is with freedom of speech/expression, you can have it, but don't expect everyone to agree with you, or air your views if the material could be considered offensive and possibly hurt that company (not saying I find it offensive, just that companies may take that view to avoid a PR headache in terms of the song).

Also, have you seen the new Lady Gaga video? The lass gives birth to a weird alien thing - I expect that to be the next thing that people deem offensive. I reckon they'll probably have to chop off the beginning of the vid where she gives birth.

Fair 'nuff. :thumbsup:

Only one question remains: Are you against the game being sold/existing or are you simply not going to play it? If you're against it being sold, do you feel strongly enough to take action to get it banned? (Or attempt to, anyways)

Like I said. Against it if the above two criteria are not even suggested or implemented. Hell I could be persuaded down to just having the instructions being hidden really well, and then suggesting to advlts to buy or use their own controller. No, I'm not going to play it. Hahahah. Hell no, I'm a lazy [censored] so no action is really going to be taken. There's probably worse things that can slip under the radar.

Does the ESRB cover the instruction manual that comes with the game? If so, there are no "this is meant to lead to six" instructions.

And, kids will always have instructions to the "advlt" "instructions" since its getting so much attention from the media and on top of that they have access to the intranet.



She can be mad all she wants. If she wants to play her song uncensored let her buy her own air time.

I just saw the Lady Gaga video, btws the song is nice. And, I just saw it on TV. 12 something pm during the day lololo. If they're playing this stuff on TV theres no reason why this game can't be on store shelves.

Do you think there would still be issues if the game was rated 18+? With it being a video game available on the Wii (And PS3, I believe), do you think the media would claim these systems are meant for children and games such as this shouldn't be allowed? I can understand if the game doesn't suit a person's idea of fun, and I'm fine with that. That makes sense to me. What I don't understand is how people are against the idea of a game like this even existing. That's mind-boggling me-thinks and I'd like to understand that better.

Now I'm sure this small paragraph will be controversial, so I apologize now. Songs such as 'S&M', 'Hurricane' and many of Lady Gaga's songs have strong bdsn undertones. (Or overtones, depending on the song.) Some of the videos depict acts many find offensive, and many more claim to be abuse. I'm not sure if they can play some of Lady Gaga's video's on MTV, or if they can play the video for 'S&M' because of the bdsn content. I think the world should be aware that such a lifestyle exists and should know what the lifestyle is about. Many don't realize they practice many of the same acts and would be appalled to be put into the same category as people who like to tie-up/be tied-up and tortured. (Spanked, flogged, electrocuted, pinched etc. etc.) While this is off topic, I find it interesting, but I think I might be spending too much time on it. So...

It all comes back to censorship. People want to prevent others from partaking in activities that publicly display sixual themes. I could be off base here, so correct me if I'm making an incorrect assumption or if I'm misinterpreting anything. Looking forward to figuring this all out! :biggrin:

That is a perfectly reasonable request. Gotta wonder how the advlts will find the instructions, but the idea works if we figure out that little detail down the road. Do you think simply raising the age rating could change the need for special instructions outside of the original packaging? What if they only sold the game in advlt 'toy' stores? Just brainstorming.

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Derp thought your 2nd post up from that one post was addressed to me. Least it proves the lazy theory.

I really like Lady Gaga.

I saw one of her music videos one time and she was giving some guy backshots (this was during the day when I saw it on TV) and I was thinking to myself go Lady Gaga for exposing people to it as it will make people more open to homosixuality.

Later on this day I told my girlfriend that I saw this Gaga video and that I liked it, she then said It was because of that guy getting backshots huh. lololo

I guess I can understand why some people get mad at a game like We Dare..

for example,

I think interactive entertainment has a huge influence on chilren

But its not Ubisoft's fault the kids have access to the internet. If you dont want your kids exposed to that kind of advertisemant watch over them betterer. If I heard someone bashing this game "This is why we have youth six problems" I would yell out "Terrorist!" and point at them. haha