The new Map system : V - Skyrim

» Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:08 am

I adore the new map.

Problem?

» Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:55 pm

I reiterate: Its a waste. A paper map can convey the same information and actually be immersive at the same time.

Plus I find it worrying that they put so much effort into the UI.

» Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:16 pm

First off, i dont even see how you could consider the new system to be a map. More of a 3d model. I dislike the looks of it but who knows. Id prefer a paper map you pull out.

How exactly is it not a map? It's an abstracted representation of the world that shows where you and a number of important settlements and landmarks are.

» Mon Jul 04, 2011 6:29 pm

I like the new map. Personally I think it's a good improvement.

» Mon Jul 04, 2011 6:40 am

Yeah....

I guess I would also prefer a paper map over A DETAILED 3D MODEL to get me out of a tough area.

» Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:33 pm

I reiterate: Its a waste. A paper map can convey the same information and actually be immersive at the same time.

Plus I find it worrying that they put so much effort into the UI.

So?

Might as well complain how the new graphics doesn't add new information either...

» Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:52 am

How exactly is it not a map? It's an abstracted representation of the world that shows where you and a number of important settlements and landmarks are.

Sorry...i guess i just disaprove of the new system. It would be like using a replica dollhouse as a map. Which i would just consider a 3d model. Also what is your opinion on the topic, or youre just commenting to insult my opinion?

» Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:03 pm

My two cents. I always play mages, so no immersion breaking for me. Just use whatever the hell the mage character's powers are to get a wizard's mind's eye view of the landscape. If I was the warrior of thief playing type, however, I think my vote would definitely go for old school in game parchment map.

» Mon Jul 04, 2011 6:54 pm

Not sure on it yet, I'd like to see how it functions while I play with it before judging but to be honest it looks kind of annoying.

» Mon Jul 04, 2011 6:47 am

Warning *Fable 3* Warning

Abort, abort, abort!

(Graphical UIs like this are fail, but we'll see, maybe Beth beats the system)

» Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:12 am

Sorry...i guess i just disaprove of the new system. It would be like using a replica dollhouse as a map. Which i would just consider a 3d model. Also what is your opinion on the topic, or youre just commenting to insult my opinion?

That's really not an apt comparison. It's not even a new system, it's just a 3D map. In all other respects it functions in exactly the same manner as Oblivion's map.

» Mon Jul 04, 2011 5:34 pm

Its just a total waste of time/resources/disc space, when a 2D map would have been more than sufficient and actually fit the setting.

» Mon Jul 04, 2011 4:09 pm

Plus I find it worrying that they put so much effort into the UI.

Because we'll be in the UI a lot? I don't think the 3d map, or the rest of the UI, took away too much dev time. It'll be fine.

@XTC I don't think the map is wasting space on a Blu Ray.

» Mon Jul 04, 2011 5:21 pm

Its just a total waste of time/resources/disc space, when a 2D map would have been more than sufficient and actually fit the setting.

Do you actually think it takes up that much space? It's a few megabytes at most.

» Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:38 pm

Do you actually think it takes up that much space? It's a few megabytes at most.

Or even less...

It doesn't seem to use any new graphics at all, just the distant LOD. Todd said it himself, the camera just zooms out.

» Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:10 pm

Do you actually think it takes up that much space? It's a few megabytes at most.

Depending on the quality it could actually. If they put lots of detail in as well as a good texture it for it could actually take alot of space up.

» Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:10 am

Do you actually think it takes up that much space? It's a few megabytes at most.

An extra sword would have been more important than the map gimmick.

» Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:02 pm

An extra sword would have been more important than the map gimmick.

Still using the word gimmick to refer to things you don't like, I see.

Seriously, it's not 1996 anymore. Disc space is not that big of a concern, and a dual-layer disc probably won't be completely filled by game data.

» Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:21 pm

I just hope it has a top-down view. I'm not really keen of the whole meteorologist perspective on a fantasy world.

» Mon Jul 04, 2011 4:47 pm

Still using the word gimmick to refer to things you don't like, I see.

Seriously, it's not 1996 anymore. Disc soace is not that big of a concern, and a dual-layer disc probably won't be completely filled by game data.

It adds nothing to the game, its a gimmick. An extra hairstyle would have been more important, the 3d map is a waste of time/space.

» Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:21 am

That's really not an apt comparison. It's not even a new system, it's just a 3D map. In all other respects it functions in exactly the same manner as Oblivion's map.

Id say its a prefect comparison. 3D gps model of skyrim and a replica dollhouse....i dont see any fault whatsoever in that comparison. Also you still havent told me your opinion? Whats your take on the 3d gps google map.

» Mon Jul 04, 2011 4:24 pm

It adds nothing to the game, its a gimmick. An extra hairstyle would have been more important, the 3d map is a waste of time/space.

They're not biting their nails as they get down to the wire, torn on whether to include an extra hairstyle or a map that is literally nothing more than markers laid over long distance landscape models. I'm sure it took less than a week to code and test it. Hell, making a stylized 2D map may well have taken longer. There's nothing wrong with it and it's not a waste of precious resources. You just don't like the way it looks. Say that instead of trying to invent ways to validate your opinion.

» Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:55 pm

They're not biting their nails as they get down to the wire, torn on whether to include an extra hairstyle or a map that is literally nothing more than markers laid over long distance landscape models. I'm sure it took less than a week to code and test it. Hell, making a stylized 2D map may well have taken longer. There's nothing wrong with it and it's not a waste of precious resources. You just don't like the way it looks. Say that instead of trying to invent ways to validate your opinion.

Er, when Beth says that some things are getting cut and merged because of resources, then they bring out gimmicks like the map, yeah it leaves people scratching their heads. I guess this is just some feature thats supposed to appeal to the graphics hounds, or another newb feature.

» Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:27 pm

I'd like to use the physical cloth map.

» Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:27 am

Er, when Beth says that some things are getting cut and merged because of resources, then they bring out gimmicks like the map, yeah it leaves people scratching their heads. I guess this is just some feature thats supposed to appeal to the graphics hounds, or another newb feature.

I wouldn't really say that. It doesn't exactly appeal to me and I like my graphics.