I killed Darion in Vault 15. I got a lucky shot with my sniper rifle, and blasted his head off in one hit. I was quite pleased with that. I then hid behind a door and used my trusty combat shotgun to kill every guard that was foolish enough to come running after me.

Then, Sulik, Cassidy, Marcus, Lenny and I systematically executed every last New Khan on the remaining floors, and rode off into the sunset towards the New California Republic, where we were hailed as heroes.

So, why is it that the Khans are still alive and kicking in New Vegas? I'm sure we'll be treated to some lore as to how the Great Khans came about in NV, but I was curious about any theories y'all might have. Are the Great Khans merely copycats, who liked the name and what the New Khans stood for, or are they a splinter faction of the NCR? Did Chrissy come down with a bad case of stockholm syndrome maybe?
Or did I miss a Khan, who came down with some survivor's guilt and re-established the gang the same way Darion did?

Maybe simply copycats/"successors"... Or the result of some group of New Khans who were away from the base during the Choosen One's visit and thus restarted thr group?

Honestly? I bet they're copy cats. Or maybe descendants of unseen Khans in FO2. Who knows. It's kind of weird that they are so stubborn when it comes to dying out. It's even stranger that they have a decent place in the main plot.

The way Fallout lore is built, is that there is a canon ending, and the rest are non-canon. They could easily say that the Chosen One did not kill the Khans. Easy as that. But it would be a lot more interesting if it wasn't just that.

I was also wondering this a while back. Maybe a squad of new Khans were out raiding and came back to their vault in ruins. They later moved out west to start another band of Khans.

Perhaps they sent out a whole group to the Mojave wastes to start a new chapter and build up some power for them, and after news came to them about the death of their friends, they dwindled into a smaller gang.

Um something as generic as the khans would have hundreds of gangs using it.

Yeah, that was what I was thinking. And usually, from what I have read on Fallout lore, its not usually cannon until it applies officially to another game in the franchise. Whether it's just mentioned or actually seen. Though I need to finish reading up on the Khans and other raider groups from those games.

But I agree, I'm hoping it's more complicated than them merely never being killed in massive numbers or being entirely wiped out.

I'd vote copycat. Just like the Dread Pirate Robert ... No one would surrender to the Dread Pirate Westley

I really hope not. Thats almost the exact same thing that happened from 1 to 2.

Hopefully its more along the lines of copycats.

Maybe in Canon Ending the Chosen One never did clear out Vault 15.

Then it might become the Courier's job to do it this time around!

Meh, Canon Ending loves the Khans.
Won't allow them to die.

Not completely at any rate :rolleyes: . I'm sure that the ending'll say something about the remnants of'em "scattering in the four directions" if you decide to go against'em...

Most likely the Khans can be likened to cockroaches. You can kill every single one of them you can find and yet there's tenfold more you can't find.

I saw on a video of the first 10 minutes of the game a picture of a "Vault 11" door, and in front of it it said "Great Khans".
So maybe the Great Khans came from there.

probably not cannon

just like Slavers I guess. I wiped out Paradise Falls, but there were still dozens of Slaver parties walking around the wasteland.

And I'm pretty sure most organizations (Like the Enclave for example) arent going to have all of their morally questionable eggs in a single basket.

I don't recall this video. Link please?

I tried looking and found one but it was removed :sadvaultboy:

In the end Fallout 1, it is stated that none of the survivors of Khans were ever heard from again. Well Darion was the only one who survived, and it maybe that he started a new group elsewhere and took control of Vault 15. So it's possible that Chosen One is the only person whoever got to know the true origins of the New Khans. What comes to the ending of Fallout 2 it doesn't state anything about New Khans if I remember correctly, it only tells that the squatters of Vault 15 became respectable members of society or they just died out without any trace.

So basically that means, that there wasn't a canonical ending for the New Khans, so the survivors may have regrouped and become the Great Khans in California or elsewhere.

The canon ending is the good ending to Fallout 2. The ending where the Khans get killed. Simple way to explain the Great Khans is when the chosen one killed the New Khans living in Vault 15 there must have been more in another location. More out on patrol or raiding. Someone took control and changed the name. With NCR becoming more active in the West and taking control of Vault 15. The left over Khans moved farther east to get away from NCR.

Since when? We currently don't know anything about how the events in Fallout 2 played out, and frankly I hope we never do.

Absolutely. The NCR still did grow no matter how you solved the V15 problem. Which would mean that the much hated Khans would have to flee eastwards or surrender to their hated enemies in the Republic. So they now have fled a very long distance.