It my first time beating Shivering Isles, but I have a few questions story wise.

Sheogorath beckoned the "Hero" over to his place, told him that some jerk named Jyggalag was going to screw everything up. So after the "Hero" does a few errands, the "Hero" learn't that there was a cycle that involved with Sheogorath and Jyggalag. The fact that Sheogorath is the pseudo-god that Jyggalag is.

After the "Hero", frees Jyggalag of his curse, the "Hero" pretty much becomes Sheogorath! The "Hero" became a god!

Or is he? Who is the true god?!

After my play-through, all I really did was gather items, items of great power, but not items that some other adventurer couldn't use. I don't remember doing anything to my body, or my soul that would jettison myself to god-hood. I'm still a mortal! And all of my benefits are from the subjects and Haskell, the dude that gave my my "godly" powers.

So who is the true god?! Well, here is my wacky look on the situation.

Haskell, is Sheogorath or another un-named deadric prince, and that the other Sheogorath is a manifestation, or another human that undertook the curse do to the symbols and items he had. I think its the staff. And I think the staff contains the curse, or keeps it going. And I think that Haskell's true form, is the tree behind the throne, or the island itself. Matter a' fact, I think the island could be Sheogorath too.

Can we really be sure that we broke the Curse of Jyggalag, or did we beat him so bad that he just choose to go off to other places and might turn into sheogorath again, and the hero just a stand in untill the next Era, where Jyggalag will resume the throne as Sheogorath? Will the "Hero" turn into Jyggalag, considering that the "Hero" can grab the Staff of Sheogorath AND The Sword of Jyggalag? I think yes.

And could this Godly position and curse be handed down to other mortals throughout the Eras?

Who is the true god?

Walk like them until they walk like you.
The "Hero" mantled Sheo. Which means that he acted like him until he acted like him, makes sense?
And yes he's now Sheogorath and all that it means.

Sheogoraths realm is Sheogorath. The Sphere that the Daedras live within are themselves, it's their own fantasy/world.

They're all the true god, if you succeed in Mantling them. And so it can be handed down to another mortal to take his place.

The "curse" was broken so Jyggalag is set free. Just like the "curse" was broken so that Lorkhans heart is no longer in a physical form.
Which in it's absence was probably one of the reasons why Mehrunes could set his dirty foot on Nirn.

And of course it all could be attributed to the CoC going insane. After all we can't put it past Sheogorth to make someone believe they are a Daedric Prince for his amusemant.

nevermind

Muthsera,

Is the CoC actually a new Daedric Prince? I have petitioned JHUNAL on behalf of the School of Julianos numerous times, and His Learnedness has yet to deign to reply, leaving us with only the deductions available via His gift of [the mind].

First, let us say that time has no meaning in the Shivering Isles, as the Dragon Aka did not lend itself therein to the Daedric Realms. "Time is an artificial construct. An arbitrary system based on the idea that events occur in a linear direction at all times." (Sheogorath in http://www.imperial-library.info/tsoo/si13.shtml) So I shall preemptively negate the counterargument of "But Merchant, those tomes refer to a time before the CoC came to the Shivering Isles" even before I present my hypothesis.

What do the denizens of the Shivering Isles think of Sheogorath? There are several views, and all of said views may be correct. Let us examine them in turn.

The Zealots believe that Sheogorath is the title worn by a mortal (Arden-Sul) who became a god. (http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/sebookzealotry.shtml)

The Heretics believe that Sheogorath is a human driven mad by "years of dabbling in foul magic and consorting with Daedra". (http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/sebookhereticalthoughts.shtml)

Both of those statements accurately describe the CoC, from a certain point of view.

Remember that "Sheogorath" did not exist until Lorkhan had his heart ripped out, becoming the "Sithis-shaped hole in the world". (http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/varietiesoffaith.shtml) Thus, Lorkhan's "death" is a simultaneous event with Jyggalag's "curse". So, if Jyggalag's "curse" is lifted periodically, does that also coincide with the occasional avatars of Lorkhan that seem to appear?

A final question is this: if Lorkhan losing his heart changed Jyggalag into Sheogorath, then would Lorkhan regaining his heart allow Jyggalag to roam free? Since Jyggalag is now roaming free...

I leave these musings to your own deliberatives. The bell is tolling at the Academy, and I find myself still dictating to my trusted scribe, Avalonus. I must go and attend to the faithful of JHUNAL. May your searches be illuminated by the Light of Julianos, for I remain...


Yours in the Scrolls,


___The Word Merchant of Julianos

Naturally, the only way for the champion to become Sheogorath is to be mad enough to believe its true.

Order is at our doorstep, yet you felt it necessary to offer some yarn to... yourself.

While Haskill seems to rebuke the elves' story of Sheogorath's creation, the development that he is actually Jyggalag, an unusually Anuic being who has employed mortals in the past, opens some interesting possibilities. I've wondered if he had been involved in something similar to the Divine Pact, given the mortal Grummites' long existence in the Isles and apparent worship of the crystals connected with Jyggalag. And the fact that he's not in total control of the Isles, even when he does revert back to his true self.

I've wondered if his predicament could be related to some sort of cosmic balance between the Anuic and the Padomaic. Just as the Anuic turned on Lorkhan, the Padomaic turned on Jyggalag.

I think that being so crazy that you thought you were Sheogorath would be a requirement of mantling sheogorath.

The next time someone mentions the "CoC is just crazy" theory, I'm leaving the Lore forums and never coming back. Notice that I say "JUST crazy." As DarthRavanger points out, if the insanity is just a step toward realizing the delusion, it's in accordance with the Rule of Cool (which ABSOLUTELY applies to ES lore... there's no other conceivable reason for more or less any of it... MK himself agreed to the idea of "it's boring, therefore wrong... the player going into a coma living out the remainder of the game in a delusional fantasy world, while satisfyingly recursive, is boring, therefore wrong ).

The CoC is just crazy

goodbye

This is actually exactly what I thought, although I never connected Shor's heart to Jyglyag before. The aspect of Shore that appeared was also the CoC (KoTN.)

However I also think that the soul of the CoC was ripped from his body and mixed with the soul of Sheogorath (The entire Madhouse of which the Shivering isles were just a piece) and overcome by madness. This wouldn't affect Sheogorath because he is infinite, but the soul of the CoC is finite, and therefore cannot effect the limitless soul of Sheogorath. The body of the CoC was then reanimated instantly by an equal portion of Madness (Sheogorath's Soul.) Those order crystals possibly detach from the Madhouse and form Jyglyag's new realm.

The fact that the souls of the CoC and Sheo are one and the same definitely will be interesting in the long run, considering that the CoC was a Hero (one unbound by the Elder Scrolls) and therefore Madness might now have the ability of free will outside the orchestrated Godhead.