New console same memory, profile, friends.

Let me quote myself

Dude, what new console do you speak of? :ahhh:

The hypothetical console in the title.

Oh right... But it's unlikely that the next gen will support hardware from previous generation.

Well, I can't call that upgrading. It's like buying a new computer and transfering your information into it, that isn't upgrading. Anyway, nevermind...

Memory cards were forward compatible to todays hardware. I dont know about the HDD but somone will find a way to profit from transfering data.

This is new terminology for buying a new console but I'm hardly the first one to use it.

This. I am supposed to be getting a 32' HDMI cable I ordered off of Newegg for $50 (great deal) today. I am going to hook it up to the HDTV on the other side of my room and since most PC games come with native support for 360 controllers, I should be able to set it up in seconds, but it will actually be in HD and I will be able to use mods.

TESV will be designed to play on a console as TESIV was as they were designed using the consoles (Xbox 360 will likely be the design point as its the least powerful of the consoles).

And modders will come around and fix things up so the best experience you can have with the game is with PC...

Don't forget the price difference it has to be taken into account. An x box 360 costs less than some graphics cards! Game ￡40, Xbox ￡100, graphics good, sound good, same game! Done!

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If the next gen consoles get released after Skyrim, I'm not going to be mad. If anything, that'll guarantee me putting of buying a next gen system even farther, until I'm done with Skyrim (which might be never) I haven't even bought one of this generation of consoles yet. No PS3, 360, or Wii.

PC will always be superior and stronger...so i would not care.

depends on your definition of superior.

if we are talking about the PC version of the game, perhaps if 360s get exclusive content maybe not. But if PC gets mod tools. PC wins hands down.

I prefer console gaming myself, for me, simplicity is desired. I just turn it on, put the disc in and play. I never have to do any upgrades at all. Graphics aren't everything you know. The console will generally do the same things at the PC will do, mainly with less graphics, which really doesn't bother me at all, I have just as much fun playing it. I pay about $300 for the console, and all I really have to do then is get the games, when you think about it console gaming is the cheaper option. I used to PC game, but, when my video card broke in 2006, I couldn't afford to get another one, since then my PC is too old now anyway, and even if I could afford it, I would rather save the money anyways.

Play what you like, have fun, and just ignore anyone that tries to put you down about it. Different strokes for different folks.

not an opinion but a fact

not true, some people are just bothered by graphics being poor. everyone has pet peeves. personally, the way graqe stems look creep me out. =(

sorry double post

Nope. All of those things are possible now... on PC.

These are games that are best suited to PC, I feel that the console versions should be second priority.

Not so

In Australia I can buy a brand spanking new PC game for $80 I can buy that exact same game on the 360 for $120
On average i'll buy 5-6 brand new games a year this will cost me $480 compared to $720 I have already saved $240 right here.

Now I might upgrade my graphics card once every three years and even them i'm not going to go all out I can pick up a decent card for about $186 http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=gtx%20460&start=61&links=20&showadres=1&pos=1

so that's the amount of money i've saved($240) x how many years i've been saving this money (3) - price of card ($186) which equals $534
So after three years i'm $534 better off than a console gamer and I can still play with a fairly powerful card

edit: or the total sum after three years
PC:
Buying games: 480 x 3= $1440
Upgrade Card: 1440 + 186= $1626

Xbox 360
Buying games: 720 x 3 = $2,160

i'm not bashing your choice of gaming platform like you said different strokes for different folks, i'm just debunking that Console gaming is on the whole cheaper

Common misconception. Top end graphics cards are stupidly expensive, so consoles have never previously used top of the line technology - factor in to that that technology evolves while the consoles are being designed, tested, and produced, and you realise that even on launch they're already mid-end, dated technology. They'll get a short period of time where they can equal a mid end PC (Not due to fewer tasks being completed, but rather due to the performance hit of neccesary abstraction layers on a PC, to allow a game to work on in theory every possible configuration of hardware), but no more than that, and a short period of time indeed.

I dont think we'll see any new consoles for many years. Unless you know, Nintendo decide to make a good version of the wii.

2 years ago I got a radeon 4870 which was a uppper mid range card for 120 and it can still run games like ME 2, NV and others on max settings at 2560x1600 resolution (like 2x or more resolution than any HD tv). RPGs have lower system requirements than action games so I could probably go at least another 2 years before needing an upgrade to run high-end graphics settings.

This.

PC will mean a constant stream of updates, like for Fallout NV, within the first week. there were already a couple of mods to fix some of the bugs that didnt get fixed 'till christmas on consoles.

They are actually right... but as you said only right for a couple months or at most a year. Top of the line gaming PCs (which most people do not have) tend to cost far more money for the power consoles give at launch. Because computer technology always advances, computers will always whip consoles not long after launch though. The SNES/Genesis could do more than the average home computer when they launched, the N64's graphics wiped the floor with most computers of its time (and the PS1 at least equaled them if I recall correctly). Again the PS2/Gamecube/Xbox were power houses when they came out (in order of increasing power, for some reason people often forget the PS2 was the least powerful of those three).

I think it's fair to say consoles are by far the most cost effective for better graphics. Even now it would be a struggle to put together a computer that matches the power of the PS3 or Xbox 360 for less than $400 (I think at least). Even if you can put it together on your own though, it would still cost more in stores. The computer manufacturers have a lame policy of only selling gaming upgradable even PCs for like US$700 or more. I was shocked when I helped someone pick one out recently... almost everything was laptops and of the desktops almost all of them had 250W power supplies. It was a struggle finding one with 300W (to accept the 9500GT) so they could play some games (they are not gaming enthusiasts and I wasn't going to play permanent tech support by putting one together for them, other than installing the 9500GT and general usage help). I don't keep 100% up to speed with PC technology but if I were building one now I'd probably go for the nVidia GTS 450 or the ATI equivalent, cards that go on sale for less than US$100 and pack quite a punch. If they continue that line of cards even more powerful mid end cards will be able to replace them in the future too. But still, I'd guess building such a machine would still cost US$550-800 (honestly kind of a wild guess). Obviously with the console though you are subject to control freak companies (no mods, and a paranoia of piracy so great they lock down their system features to such an extent you have little control over your machine). That's why I'd never get TES on the console unless it was my only option.

The main benefit of the console in my opinion is that it forces developers to get better at using hardware that never changes. High profile games that come out later in a console's life always look way better than the launch titles with few exceptions. For the PC, hardware is constantly inflating so they have no incentive to program more efficiently to squeeze every last bit of power out of it. Since (quickly looking it up) it appears the PS3 has roughly the equivalent of something between the nVidia 7800GT/GTX and the Xbox 360 has something like the X1900/X1950 I wonder if there are any benefits that pass on to PC users in the efficiency department, since most gaming machines use ATI and nVidia hardware. Of course the power of the PS3 and Xbox 360 lies not only in the graphics hardware but includes the processors and general architecture of the machines too, so perhaps it won't benefit PC users.

Either way I'm looking forward to the game, and as I said more people being able to run it is a good thing. It will be cool if optional features are added for the PC version.

Hell to the yeah! I personally have a svckish computer which at most can only handle oblivion on medium-level settings and I will never have a chance to play Skyrim on it... my only hope is my PS3 and I would never dream of waiting another year for Skyrim :/