The Nords

Post » Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:30 pm

This is inspired by a previous thread, which has been ended as its purpose was served. But it did inspire me to make this topic.

quoted below is my post from that thread, which is the topic of my discussion here.

I should note, what I am advocating is not a pure scandinavian Skaldic society for the Nords, what I am advocating is less of the generic 'viking' imagery that many come accross with, and more of the rich culture that was vikingage Scandinavia.

Basically what I am trying to say here is -I would enjoy a discussion on what the Nords COULD be. (Note, I do very much like a lot of the strange things invented by the devs, such as cow painting!)

And it may also be worth pointing out here that one of the great works of Old Icelandic literature (essentially Viking in every way, although slightly newer) was the First Grammatical Treatise. No other civilization on earth would have done that, but the norse poeple loved poetry in every way. To read theirworks in english is nice and interesting, but if you ever get ahold of the real thing, in the original language (pronounced old style, modern Icelandic doesnt have quite the same feel or the same flow) the old works are truly amazing works of poetry. I suggest anyone tolook at the works of Egill Skallagrimson, one of the greatest of the great Icelandic Skalds (essentially poets, similar to the medieval bard only better -traveled around, sand and told stories, and actually DID things like raid and fight and such)

?at m?lti m?n m??ir,
at m?r skyldi kaupa
fley ok fagrar ?rar,
fara ? brott me? v?kingum,
standa upp ? stafni,
st?ra d?rum knerri,
halda sv? til hafnar
h?ggva mann ok annan.

Thus spake my mother
That for me should they buy
A barque and beauteous oars
To go forth with vikings.
Stand in the stern,
Steer a dear vessel,
Hold course for a haven,
Hew down many foemen.

or, the myth poems (eddas) great examples of literature

V?lusp?

Hlj??s bi? ek allar
helgar kindir,
meiri ok minni
m?gu Heimdallar;
viltu, at ek, Valf??r!
vel framtelja
forn spj?ll f?ra,
?au er fremst um man.

Ek man j?tna
?r um borna,
?? er for?um
mik f?dda h?f?u;
n?u man ek heima,
n?u ?vi?i,
mj?tvi? m?ran
fyr mold ne?an.

?r var alda
?ar er ?mir byg?i,
vara sandr n? s?r
n? svalar unnir,
j?r? fannsk ?va
n? upphiminn,
gap var ginnunga,
en gras hvergi.

This is the heart and soul of the viking world, poetry and literature. I see in the nords an attempt to get at this, but it seems as if the devs were not in fact scholars of norse culture. They can annoy me at times with their wannabe norse, who come off as protatypical brutes at time (which in reality was not the vikings, well maybe the danes but not the others, they were actually the most advanced civilization as far as literature, scholarship, and literacy of their day, ideed of most of the middle ages! not to mention the greatest sailors in the world at that time [they knew stuff we still havent figured out as far as navigation and such, some evidence even suggests they may have had some sort of compass!])

sorry for my ramble, but I really wish the nord culture was more like the Skaldic world of the vikings, with their great literature and laguage, interesting legal system, unique way of governing themselves, and so on.

This post originally started out as an elaboration on 1999's!


Also I think it worth pointing out here -someone mentioned Icelandic culture as being a combination of Viking and Eskimo, which is quite false. Icelandic culture was (and still is) the most purely Germanic culture in the world, the only people that were there when they got there were a few Irish monks, who were very quickly driven off!
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Post » Tue Oct 12, 2010 11:59 am

What I was saying back there is that art shouldn't really imitate life. I like the drunken tall-tales of the Aldudaggas. I think it's a genuinely interesting spin on it and stands on its own merits, even if it's more satirical than you might wish. It doesn't imitate the sagas because it's not supposed to do so. I'm not sure if this sort of bibulous vulgarity is stereotypical or not, though. Stereotypical I'd take as the bloodthirsty barbarians in other settings.

Also, I like the startling juxtapositions which tell us they aren't just vikings in a fantasy universe. More wasabi lining the rim of their shields, please.

The norse sagas do have some pretty visceral metaphors, I'll admit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_kennings, in particular. Though I think the fantasy epic is more or less the great descendant of those sorts of stories, which I've never much cared for, personally.
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Post » Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:16 pm

Speaking of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdp9M9tJx1I...
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Post » Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:01 am

I think we all enjoy pondering what all the races could be. And yes I too feel that the over all feel of a deeper sense of history and culture would make them all better but do I feel that they should make them to be the Vikings of our history no but if your point was to make them have just something more than as I already said it would be a great asset to the game.
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Post » Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:08 pm

What I was saying back there is that art shouldn't really imitate life. I like the drunken tall-tales of the Aldudaggas. I think it's a genuinely interesting spin on it and stands on its own merits, even if it's more satirical than you might wish. It doesn't imitate the sagas because it's not supposed to do so. I'm not sure if this sort of bibulous vulgarity is stereotypical or not, though. Stereotypical I'd take as the bloodthirsty barbarians in other settings.

Also, I like the startling juxtapositions which tell us they aren't just vikings in a fantasy universe. More wasabi lining the rim of their shields, please.

The norse sagas do have some pretty visceral metaphors, I'll admit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_kennings, in particular. Though I think the fantasy epic is more or less the great descendant of those sorts of stories, which I've never much cared for, personally.


I agree with you on many points. I tried to say I do not either want a copy -what my point is is that I would love to see more of the cultural aspects and less barbarism. I am actually surprised to an extent how much of this is already there in the nords.

And as for wasabi on the shields, I recommend you research into the real cult of the berserkr, basically a bunch of drugged-up odin worshippers -used (I think it was a mushroom) to bring on an intense surge of rage and adrenaline, and the results of such are well known. In many of the old stories, the berserks have a similar representation as that of a werewolf.
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Post » Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:47 am

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