Not quite what you're thinking. This is Louisiana being stopped from attempting to clean up its own shoreline.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-spill-gov-bobby-jindals-wishes-crude/story?id=10946379

They were eventually allowed back in, though.

My biggest gripe about the resistance against the oil spill is how disorganized it is.

Well, from that article, the disorganization appeared to originate in the governor's office. Coast Guard isn't going to let unseaworthy ships into its jurisdiction, and they had adequate cause to refuse them permission to work. Cutting corners in cleanup is no different and no better than the cutting corners that led to the spill.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, what? Cutting corners? I don't know what article you're reading. If your comment pertains to the incident where the barges were stopped so the Coast Guard could check for life-vests and fire extinguishers. Which most water-vessels come with to begin with. Apparently the Coast Guard found what they were looking for, since the barges were allowed to once again do their job a day later.

To point out, the governors and the coast guard have the ability to work quite well together. As the article says, the Gulf Coast governors develope plans with Coast Guard command, but then other agencies weigh in which causes problems. I have no issue with other agencies weighing in, but when no one down on the Gulf Coast even knows who is in charge, that causes problems.

Not any more...you're......
...sorry.

You do realize, that when too many agencies weigh in with their ideas, that's one of the reasons thing's don't get done because then nobody knows who's really in charge, and they're already fighting over ideas to do.

I think it's best if the states affected, just had their state government and agencies work, rather have these outside agencies throwing in their ideas.

Just because an agency weighs in, doesn't mean it can out right command. I guess I should have been more clear, though.


That would be best, yes.

No, I didn't mean it like that. I meant that if you have all these outside agencies throwing in their ideas, and then you get arguments over who's idea is better and should be done first, second, third, whatever. Than everyone gets confused from the arguing, and agencies start thinking they're in command of the situation, when nobody is actually in control of the situation because they're all confused on who's doing what and leading what.

Isn't that what I was getting at to begin with? The Governors and the Coast Guard work well enough with each other. It's when other agencies, mostly Federal, come in to "take charge" of the situation that problems are caused.

When you said you had no issue with other agencies weighing in, that's what I was chiming in about.

I think the Coast Guard is doing their job and I believe they did the right thing. I'm a little confused as to why they couldn't contact the correct people and I'm surprised no one on board could help them out. You're scooping up a flammable substance and no one can verify there's a fire extinguisher on board? Often seawater will be used for firefighting purposes, but not when it's oil saturated. Think of the consequences of a burning ship, full of oil, going down in oil laden water. These safety requirements aren't completely out of whack, they're sensible and prudent.

They're already burning the oil....

But that's not what I'm getting at.

Apparently you missed the point where the barges were allowed back out onto the Gulf a day later. It seems certain that the barges had the necessary equipment.

I know they're burning some of the oil. What does that have to do with anything I wrote?

And it took 'em a day to find what they needed...why? So what if it's there, if no one knows where it is, it's pointless.

between the europeans offering vessels to help and being turned away and not signing the waiver to allow tankers from the middle east to come over and syphon off the oil (although BPs use of corexit made that more difficult) and waiting almost a month to allow louisiana to build its burms. its like barnum circus was nationalized and put in charge of the operation.

i thought the government was listening to experts from day one. :rolleyes: how come im seeing all these engineers and technicians from other oil companies popping up on CNN, MSNBC, FOX etc. asking why BP isnt doing this that or the other thing. they had a couple of guys on there speculating that the leak we see on the screen isnt large enough to be the big leak which they think is 5 or 6 miles away. is anyone looking into that. BP isnt the only one that should be firing alot of people and answering questions.

and dont get me started on the 6 month ban. :stare:

@strangleove........ its not a matter of too many agencies. its a matter of leadership and right now........there isnt any. unless you want to include BP cause it seems like right now they call the shots and that is just unacceptable.

Burning oil is an incredibly dangerous act. If they let it get even a little out of control, it could prove to be no different than if one the barges caught on fire.


And it also took Governor Jindal calling the Federal Government. Likely as not, the Coast Guard wouldn't have allowed the barges to continue, regardless of them fufilling the safety regulations. I'm just inferring that the Coast Guard found what they were looking for, it doesn't say in the article. What got the barges back out there was the Coast Guard begin counter-manded, apparently.


That's another thing that has got me PO'ed. The use of very hazardous, very poisonous materials to clean up the oil spill. This has been going around alternative news sites for awhile, but what if a hurricane was to pass through?

Also, thirteen states offered help in cleaning up the oil spill, not just European countries, and they were denied as well. Sometimes I think the guys "in charge" of the oil spill don't want it cleaned up with some of the stupid decisions they are making.

This thread is dangerously close to turning into a political rant. Let's not do that: it would have to be closed.

Cite facts reported in reputable media, refrain from criticizing the motives of those you have not yourself interviewed, or don't post.

Here's something rather interesting; regarding BP's refusal to allow Louisiana access to it's Claims Database.

http://www.thegovmonitor.com/world_news/united_states/bp-continues-to-deny-louisiana-access-to-oil-spill-claims-database-33666.html

Personally, I think it should be BPs job of cleaning up the mess, and putting the man power together; whether that's BP workers, and they include volunteers, that's up to them. But I don't see why these other agencies have to get involved, and spout their ideas when BP should be the one cleaning, while being monitored properly by the affected state's governments.

The Coast Guard is in charge of the effort, most likely because Admiral Thad Allen is the person in this country with by far the most experience in disaster relief in the region. Allen was the head of the Hurricane Katrina relief effort after the ineffectual Michael Brown was relieved of command.

BP has not distinguished itself by the ability to make wise or effective decisions in this matter, so I don't see any good reason to put their personnel in any position of command.

That's why you put them to the task of cleaning crew.

It's been sixty days since the accident occured, and it is no closer to being resolved or corrected than it was originally.
That is simply unacceptable. BP has been enabled and empowered by lack of federal incentive to recitfy the damage they have caused.
The fact that they were allowed to use corexit is appalling.
There is plenty of communication going on, but poor descion making.
The Coast Guard, did however, have the right to inspect boats as they did, no sense in cleanup causing another disaster


Florida was one of those states that offered to help. It's in our best intrests to, we depend on tourism dollars.
Oil is washing into our gulf beaches as well. I feel a great upswell of pity for those in LA, and surrounding states who have livelihoods affected by this.
It's not like compensation from those at fault will be just handed over, it's going to take a long and protracted court battle for that.

Yeah, it seems kind of counter-productive to not allow barges to help with the clean-up because of some arbitrary rule requiring the Coast Guard to count ONE LESS life vest or fire extinguisher.

Just give them an extra life vest/fire extinguisher (which tey already paid for as taxpayers) or get out of their way. While the Feds and BP play 'pass the buck.' At least SOMEONE is trying SOMETHIING.

Just boycott any place that does business with BP.

Closed for politics.

Describing enforcement of safety regulations as "arbitrary" for the purpose of scoring political points is a political statement of the kind these forums will not hear.