The One and One

Post » Thu May 03, 2012 5:53 am

High King Torygg's murder played in the summons of many witnesses, yet no legionaire, no huscarl, moved to capture the villain. This is because Elisif the Fair knew the murderer; she let him pass twice. Afterall, the rebel-king was her lover. I'm speaking of Ulfryke the Stormcloak, mythshape of King Torygg... and Dragonborn. Who devised this plot, and why did the beloved King have to die?

Torygg feared the Dominion as much as he desired emancipation. He knew the Rift would receive Skyrim like a tomb, if he waged open rebellion on the Empire; and there was no time for diplomacy. He approached the Emperor's stratgist, General Tullius, for a ruse. Torygg agreed with the plot to cosign his life to tragic, national icon, as remission of Skyrim's treason.

Tullius crafted the High King's assassination out of the Arcturian Heresy. (Know the Heresy is the Ritual his cult simply understand. It is not a book, collection of knowledge, or theology. If anything, the Heresy is anthropology.) There was one clue: King Olaf's burning verse resurfaced, via unknown agency, the eve of his effigy's ritual slaying. Tullius hid this theme for us to follow.
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Katharine Newton
 
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 11:31 am

That would change everything.

I'm intrigued.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 1:06 pm

Whether you're a warrior-poet, Ysgrimskald, or strategist, it's all about mysterious murder. In his case, Tullius shared the murder among the entire Palace, including Elisif, so the rebellion they loved could grow into the Third Empire of Man. Otherwise, Skyrim would never muster beyond her borders, Torygg would draw more legions in, had he openly betrayed Mede, both would be easy pickings for Alinor, and Tullius would lose his chance to assassinate the Emperor with his own man.

I need help working this around the whole plot, to include Paarth and his Tongues. Some help is appreciated.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 6:51 am

Tullius-as-Hjalti is brilliant, that's all I can say.

All right, how far can this rabbit hole be dug? I suppose one might suggest the entire civil war Is an enantiomorphic ruse.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 7:40 pm

The Theme of the Traitor and the Hero

If you want to follow along, read it. The Heresy is all the more clearer, even if you "got it."

My brain is dry, right now.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 3:34 pm

General Tullius wouldn't do it. He was at Cyrodill at the time. He only recently was bought to Skyrim to deal with the Civil War.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 2:14 pm

Ahh yes. So instead of Mede playing part of Emperor Zero it was played by Torygg, correct? But Dovakhiin, Ulfric and Tullius still mantling Talos/Lorkhan in place of Hjalti, Wulfarth and Arctus (not in any particular order, you jyggylagish lot), right?

If not then i'm not playing this game.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 6:28 pm

General Tullius wouldn't do it. He was at Cyrodill at the time. He only recently was bought to Skyrim to deal with the Civil War.
Secret council. His plan brings all the actors to Solitude.

^ Both men are narratively Emperor Zero.

Any hypothesis must include Olaf's effigy. Tullius' story has changed the meta-plot, which Hrothgaar symbolically falls into. Snow Throat bellows the name of Skyrim's deceased king. Tullius is authoring true history, which raised him to the court of the mythopoetic Greybeards.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 8:53 am

If Nu-Talos is Tullius' goal, he'd do well to have a dragonsoul in the mix. Sundering snow-throat brings about the prophecy of the last dragonborn.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 8:47 am

I need help working this around the whole plot.

The best lies are simple. Don't ruin it with exposition.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 3:48 pm

Then it shall be simple: Torygg is Imperial collaborator and chief conspirator. He stole his divinity, his dragon blood, from prior lies, and Olaf was his favorite as a child. He replayed the king of Solitude's death on the eve of the effigy's burning - a choice watermark being the resurfaced script. This mythopoetic rumbling opened Hrothgaar and the Tower's secret.

( Maybe Mede accepted his ally, general, and enemy were a charade, opting to savor his climactic role in the plot of Skyrim's eminent Ysgrimskald. )

I wish the actors were as realized as the script. And through deeper elucidation, Mede is the Chorak, or Wlfharth at Red Mtn, not the Emperor Zero.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 3:25 pm

"Of course, what many foreign presbyters, and indeed many C'lovian ones, fail to grasp is that in Nibenval, there is no true heresy - only the misappropriation of obscured liturgies by lower ranks with neither the alacrity of mind nor fiber of being to handle them in a controlled manner. I should liken it to siege engines. In the hands of His Imperial Majesty's Artiller'men, they are boon, great peacemakers, the guarantors of civil obedience to the sacred law. But in the employ of Valen Apes, well, the results would be disastrous."

- Epigraphus Orotundo


"...Madgod has not lain one gnarled digit on me, for I would never risk such if I did not, with the full power of my Julianine faculties, reckon that it should be absolutely necessary. Further, I have consulted with every worthy mystic, diviner, sayer of soothes, tea-reader, bone-tosser, gut-puller, Ancestor Cloud and Elder Scroll in City Isle, and all return thus with a retort like storms: Kuhle Kain of Kreath must die by the hand of his beloved Oathmen. Else, Cyrod Re-Come shall die stillborn to vile, Elvish Un-projects, the craven Scuttledreams of the Old Merry. Understand, I do this for you, Red Legions, for I love you...You may proceed, Hjalti."

"Very good, m'lud. Lay your neck on the altar and close your eyes. Worry not, I promise it will bother no more than a rude whisper."
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 5:14 pm

Why did Rrogvir have to die then?
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 8:57 am

Why did Rrogvir have to die then?

Patsy.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 6:29 pm

Patsy.
And martyr. Torygg had to be sure the populace bought the Ulfric story, this character he so patiently breathed, without casting a shadow of doubt over Elisif and the Palace. The city had to believe in the Stormcloaks.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 2:53 pm

Fascinating. Absolutely fascinating. Yet another reason to love Skyrim.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 12:22 pm

I just have one rainy question then. If Ulfric is the mythshape of Torygg, then who the [NUMINIT] does the Dovahkiin encounter in Sovngarde? His abandoned identity? Fly. in. the Ointment.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 9:00 pm

I just have one rainy question then. If Ulfric is the mythshape of Torygg, then who the [NUMINIT] does the Dovahkiin encounter in Sovngarde? His abandoned identity? Fly. in. the Ointment.
Torygg's dead. Ulfric and Tullus are a myth.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 6:54 am

Torygg and Uflric can both be found in Sovngarde. I don't think that's necessarily worth mentioning.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 8:45 am

I also believe this is an internal dialogue, where, in Torygg's ecstascy, he's now speaking to the King of Sovngarde. He's left his worldly mantle (Torygg) on one side of the bridge and adopted the mantle of heaven (Shor).

If he's master of his imagination, and our poet is only one mite of the Being, is Torygg not, as he was in the living world, primus inter pares?

The apex of the Tower is ever-present reality (Pan's Labyrinth, The Secret Miracle). It is a world of you, before the life leaves forever.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 3:47 pm

Monkey Truth always hurts my brain.

Still good though. Very cyrptic.
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