I fallout 3 and new vegas i thought one mini game missing is chess i mean you see chess boards everywhere in fallout 3 and newvegas but get no options like caravan or terminal hacking or lock picking chess is the only mini game aside from lock picking that would fit in both elder scrolls and fallout games as back in that time peirod chess was certainly around by then it could even be a gambling game againest other characters you may even gain more fans just because the option to play chess is there I dont know how long or if fallout 4 is in devolpment but this would make a great last min mini game to add (if you havent already lol) If anyone working for besthesda has read this thanks for reading it up until this point and have a nice day

... No.

Here's your chess: http://www.chess.com/play/computer.html
Go nuts.

im just going to say it and throw it out there, i want to have six with hokers like in GTA:V in FO:V

other then that there is no need for anymore mini gamez

I wouldn't mind seeing it done somehow, maybe you have to scavenge all the pieces before you can play? or even use junk items to represent the pieces.

Chess takes too long to play, it'd be pointless. Slot machines are better

It'd be pointless if you were crap at it and/or had no interest in playing it.
Chess = Tactics
Slots = Mindless button pressing hoping for a match.

Everyone would be blasting no if a forumer offered up Caravan before it was made, but thats good, slow and involves some thinking.
Chess is only as slow as you are at deciding moves and even at that you could implement a time limit on moves so you can't take longer than 30s

Chess is as slow as the game takes when you're not playing an idiot; two people of similar skill could play for ages. Even if you made a time limit between moves it'd still take longer than caravan; which btw rarely requires much time or thinking.
Chess does obviously involve the use of tactics and strategy, but the game is a pointless concept to introduce to fallout.

Slots and caravan on the other hand, are quick, easy and reap big rewards. Minigames shouldn't be complicated or take long, they should just be a short break away from the actual game; like arcade machines or card games.

If its a pointless concept in Fallout get rid of the daft chessboard littering up the place.
Looking at New Vegas I can see, from memory, at least on place where its played, up by the Repconn Test Site (Come Fly With Me quest) sitting in the rest point just out from under the bridge where you have to investigate the ghouls.

Like all minigames, its optional, meaning you aren't forced to play it if you really don't want to.
Caravan is only quick once you have gathered enough cards to set yourself up for wins with 10s, 9s, 8s, 6s and Kings with some Jacks, and at that its just boring when that hapens since none of the NPCs experience any difficulty changes after the first game.
Slots are boring and just [censored] imo, they have no fun about them. Go to casino > Insert caps > lose caps > repeat until win :yawn:. Where is the challenge in playing the slot machines? Two clicks and I've either lost a hand full of caps or I've won enough to buy anything I would ever need.
I would much rather Poker was in the casinos than slots since it is one of the biggest played gambling games and its more challenging.
Chess would actually require some thinking and skill on the players side rather than sheer luck or preconstructed packs of cards to win.
Chess > Slots
Chess > Caravan
Poker > Slots
Poker > CaravanOptional =/= Mandatory

I am aware it is optional, I just don't think enough people would bother with more than a first game to make it worth implementing; that time could be better spent on other things.
Checkers/Draughts would be a better choice imo. It's faster than chess and poker by far, while still being challenging and impossible to stack the deck from the off.

Checkers would be somewhat challenging, yeah but when it comes down to the last piece it could take forever if the AI/Player doesn't surrender, get trapped or has an upgraded piece.
But yeah checkers would be a good idea since it can be played on a chess board and finding pieces to look like checkers would be easy, bottlecaps/poker chips etc
Poker could be done, takes ages, yes, but the prize pot would be well worth the time if PC and AI knew how and when to raise without bluffing the AI instantly

I look at it this way: Is the amount of time required to design it and implement it worth it in the end?
And considering it's.... Chess.. Something I found on google after 10 seconds, then no, I don't think it's necessary to design and implement as it'd take away time from other stuff.

no minigames are the bane of these types of games. FO4 I want skill checks like in the originals. However minigames like the gambling in NV was ok. I don't want minigames for skill use.

Anyone who played Fallout (1) probably chuckled at this; because its totally accurate. :chaos:

* However they'd have gotten points in my book if they had both included a chess engine for certain NPCs to be able to play (FO3 3d dialog menu style), and bonus points for having one or more NPCs that you should not sanely accept a game from; (additional points if they still left it possible to beat them if you took precautions).

** They'd have gotten points for implementing Bottle-cap Checkers; (could even have had it where you keep the pieces you take).

*** Also however, playing Chess or checkers in an RPG should really not be a minigame; it should be influenced solely by the PC's ability to play (hence inappropriate for an action RPG IMO).
You see... The PC should be able to cheat with Mentats and that's not something they can implement in a player minigame unless PC intelligence afforded the option of giving hints, and even then the player might just be a good player who doesn't need them and could win using a PC with a low stat (when they shouldn't) ~That should be cheating IMO.

As long as one of the NPC that plays it is a radscorpion :thumbsup:

The robot kind. :chaos:

Soem one been playing the big empty recently? one of my favorite DLC I have to say.

Well yes but i think both those games chess and poker could depend on you intelligence skill (ie you get a really difficult chess/checks ai if your intelligence is 1 and you are able to win easily if your intelligence is 10) checkers would be relatively easy frankly i just want to see that chess board used for something other then decoration

*chess and checkers sorry error

Unless you strolled into a toy store and found an unopened chess set, I'd have to question where you could find a full chess set. As for checkers, New Vegas shows people use caps and casino chips as checker pieces.

Also, I just remembered, in F3 people used odds and ends as chess pieces. So I suppose if someone knows how to play chess out there in the world, it's not inconcievable in the game.

I do love chess and it would be interesting to play it in Fallout 4, but I don't see them putting it in. I'm good with Caravan and it does take a lot of thought if you do what I do and press the randomize deck button before every game. I love Caravan and I really don't see the fun in stacking your deck for a game that you're pretty much guaranteed to win.

I just wanted bethesda to see the idea they may have already thought of it but i just typed this so they can say they saw it

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Anyways, I want to know how you play Tragic the Garnering!

They should put it in the next game so we can find out :fallout:

I just assumed that it would be a cold-war version of 'Magic the Gathering', sans the fantasy setting.

That would have been awesome ^

At the very least there could have been people talking about it. Every now and then find Tragic cards.