Am I the only one that heard this? : V - Skyrim

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:38 am

I know, eh? People also like to generalize around here.

People are idiots.

Anyway, it seems to me that we might have something spear-like.
Still, it's a shame that there are no spear anymore.
I enjoyed to play unarmored hunter with spear and was using Spear of the Hunter as a weapon.
Also combined lychantrophy with it.
One mean character.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:21 am

It's looking more and more likely polearms are in.
We also know there will be thrusting animation.
There are many types of polearms that do numerous things.
They can be used like spears ( thrusting ),but also do other things ...like slashing,hooking,chopping etc.
I think people who are worried about spears,have no need to be.
My opinion

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:08 am

I'm about... 60% confident we'll see one-handed throwing spears right now.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:00 pm

I could care less if spears are in or not. Id rather go into battle with a blade or blunt in hand.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:13 am

have ayone ver considered that if TES games have always had spears, people probably wouldnt play eith them...and they would always use swords...ita only that the spear is missing and thats why people want it, not becose its in anyway special....atleast thats what I think...dont mean to offend anyone...now its time to sleep bye :snoring:

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:28 pm

I could care less if spears are in or not. Id rather go into battle with a blade or blunt in hand.

I ain't to bothered about spears either,but it's still nice for those who like them :thumbsup:

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:23 pm

I don't really see myself using pole-arms, honestly, but yeah, other people seem to want them, and I'm happy for them that they're in.

EDIT: There's also the historical factor to consider. The most common weapon among the Vikings was a short, one-handed spear that could be both thrown and used for thrusting, carried with a shield (axes were also popular; swords were expensive and a sign of wealth). It would seem wrong not to have those if we could.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:37 am

I probably contributed to the gushing around polearms, personally I dont make much of a distinguishment between spears or polearms which I'm sure some purists do. I just want something long with a pointy bit at the end to swing around.... (why is talk about spears filled with such double entendre?).

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:48 am

I ain't to bothered about spears either,but it's still nice for those who like them :thumbsup:

Wont argue with that. I hope we all get what we want out of this game. Seeing as how spears are in high demand, that should be a big hint to Todd. Maybe someone should start a petition. Like I said I could care less about spears but I would sign my name on the petition to support others that do.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:35 am

The thing is what can they do with spears? Its a single action item, thrust only. swinging the spear left and right doesnt do any damage, unless you clip them at the perfect range. Instead they give pole arms like a hally. Which is really an axe blade mounted on the end of a pole, with a tip on the end like a spear (built into the axe head). So you can thrust, and swing, and chop with it.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:37 am

The thing is what can they do with spears? Its a single action item, thrust only. swinging the spear left and right doesnt do any damage, unless you clip them at the perfect range. Instead they give pole arms like a hally. Which is really an axe blade mounted on the end of a pole, with a tip on the end like a spear (built into the axe head). So you can thrust, and swing, and chop with it.

So its pretty much a Halberd.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:12 am

If we all baised our opinions on facts there wouldn't be nearly enough stuff to blow out of proportion. We can't have that here.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:00 pm

If he says there aren't spears in the classic sense he means there are no spears. There may be polearms, but they are not spears.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:00 pm

I enjoyed to play unarmored hunter with spear and was using Spear of the Hunter as a weapon.
Also combined lychantrophy with it.
One mean character.

Thus is why spears aren't in anymore lol. Spears are just too powerful.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:09 pm

Thus is why spears aren't in anymore lol. Spears are just too powerful.

I guess we should remove swords, warhammers, axes, battleaxes, maces, bows, and magic too.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:07 am

I guess we should remove swords, warhammers, axes, battleaxes, maces, bows, and magic too.

You forgot fists. And Nords in general are too strong, so they should probably go as well.

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:52 pm

We also know there will be thrusting animation.

We do???

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:44 am

Thus is why spears aren't in anymore lol. Spears are just too powerful.

It's irritating how you continually spout this nonsense, betting that all the people who never played Morrowind will believe you. Spears were relatively unpopular in Morrowind because they did so little damage and were not often available in enchanted form. This is the reason they were removed. They are difficult to implement in a combat system like Oblivion's, and there weren't that many people to mourn their loss. Few seem to care about logic and completeness so long as they get to powergame their Mary Sue's.

By your hair-brained criteria, bows were even more 'overpowered,' for they did more damage on average, staggered the enemy with every hit and had vastly greater range.

Please, for the sake of honest arguments everywhere, admit that you're spreading misinformation in order to justify Oblivion's poor design choices and then go talk about something else.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:40 am

It's irritating how you continually spout this nonsense, betting that all the people who never played Morrowind will believe you. Spears were relatively unpopular in Morrowind because they did so little damage and were not often available in enchanted form. This is the reason they were removed. They are difficult to implement in a combat system like Oblivion's, and there weren't that many people to mourn their loss. Few seem to care about logic and completeness so long as they get to powergame their Mary Sue's.

By your hair-brained criteria, bows were even more 'overpowered,' for they did more damage on average, staggered the enemy with every hit and had vastly greater range.

Please, for the sake of honest arguments everywhere, admit that you're spreading misinformation in order to justify Oblivion's poor design choices and then go talk about something else.

I guess you weren't on the internet when we learned spears wouldn't be in Oblivion. :laugh:

» Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:20 pm

Spears are confirmed not to be in. Other polearms however are. The other polearms like bardiche and halberds have the same feel of spears except they aren't broken because they don't stab, they swing.

Did you just ignore my OP or what?

While the way the quote is worded certainly leaves the possibility for spears to be added in later open, it certainly doesn't guarentee it. Bethesda hasn't done spears yet, and while they might do them in the future, they would not guarentee it, that's what the quote says, if you want to take a more pessimistic outlook, you might say that there probably won't be spears, but since Todd knows people want them, he worded the answer in a way that indicates there's yet some hope as seeing them. Whatever the case, if Bethesda was sure there would be spears, the answer would be "Yes, there would be spears.", if Todd wanted to say they had not been implemented, but expected them to be, he would say "We haven't implemented spears, but we expect to have them in the game before release." that's clearly what many people want to hear, so why wouldn't Bethesda tell us that? The only explanation seems to be because saying so wouldn't be true.

Now, I'm not too upset about spears not being in the game, not because I have any reason to believe they'll be in he game, but just because I can live with them not being in the game. I wanted to see them, of course, I can't think of any real reason anyone would want spears to NOT be in the game, but if they're not in then they're not in, their absence never stopped me from playing Oblivion, and I don't expect it to stop me from playing Skyrim either.

In any case, it sounds like we have pole arms, just not spears specifically, so we do have something to satisfy the need for a weapon with an exceptionally long reach.

You too. The whole point of what I'm saying is that it is not confirmed spears are out. The fact that there is a possibility is what I'm trying to prove.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:23 am

I'm pretty shure that ther will be throwing spears

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:46 am

It's irritating how you continually spout this nonsense, betting that all the people who never played Morrowind will believe you. Spears were relatively unpopular in Morrowind because they did so little damage and were not often available in enchanted form. This is the reason they were removed. They are difficult to implement in a combat system like Oblivion's, and there weren't that many people to mourn their loss. Few seem to care about logic and completeness so long as they get to powergame their Mary Sue's.

Of course, I was one of those few people who actually used spears as a main weapon in Morrowind...

They have a better range than a sword, but that's the [censored] point.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:50 am

They could also be looking at lances while they mess with horses. :biggrin:

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:32 am

he says not in the classical sense because he will have pole arms such as halbreds... which to me isnt good enough. i like to go roman on someones [censored]. and sometimes i like to get chitin or daedric spears and go hunting netch. its killing my rp experience because spears are my favorite melee weapons of all. one thing i think they shuld do about halbreds...which werent even dang that popular in morrowind... so i dont get this... is at least make the slash damage greater. they do have a big blade that probably does more damage then the spear point at the end.... btw spears fit way better into skyrim then halbreds because in skyrim they shuld be barbarians. who tend to wear alot of fur and natrual clothing. so their weapons ought to be more natural as well. one would assume they would use spears over halbreds...but i guesss not. and if anyone makes a spear mod i wont benefit im a console gamer.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:32 am

Honestly; and I really mean no offence in this statement, but I just don't undertand why everyone gets all worked up over no spears. There will most likely be somewhat 'similar' alternatives in game, so look at it as a compromise between the 'spear lovers' and the devs who maybe want to forge ahead and implement newly designed 'polearms' or halberds, which fit better with the setting they're going for in Skyrim.

Now although Todd said no 'spears'(notice the plural 's'), maybe; just maybe buried deep within some treacherous dungeon, in some far-off corner of the map, there will be one powerful spear in the game, for the spear fanatics to find. I think that would be a smart and unique thing for the devs to do. Something that could fit with the lore of the area. Maybe they could beef up the stats on the Spear of the Snow Prince(falmer)(I always liked that story) and bring it back into the game.