[Budgie]

I feel as though everyone just seems so angry with it. Like it was a disaster. So many people say how bad the writing was, make comment like "oblivion with guns" etc.

I actually really loved this game. There was nothing about it I didn't like.

Is anyone else worried that Bethesda might change fallout 4 because of the amount of criticism fallout 3 got from the old fallout fans? I am worried they will make the game more to fit the old fans then the new fans of the franchise.

I think Bethesda did an absolute great job with fallout. It's one of my favorite games and I have played quite a few in my time.

[Phillip Hamilton]

It's the way gamers are anymore. "Something new came out, older stuff svcks now."

[Len swann]

It's the way gamers are anymore. "Something new came out, older stuff svcks now."

huh?

[Milagros Osorio]

It's because people are idiots. I love Fallout 3 to but people always go on about how the "classics" are amazing
and anything else or any change is the death of gaming. I bet you when Fallout 4 comes out people will be complaining and
moaning how terrible it is and how amazing Fallout 3 is in comparison......... Sighhh :facepalm:

[rae.x]

It's the way gamers are anymore. "Something new came out, older stuff svcks now."

I thought it was the opposite. "This new thing is nowhere near as good as our old favourite game, they're dumbing it down! Dumbing down I tell you!'

Fallout 3 and New Vegas are different games, and they both have different strengths and weaknesses. I find that New Vegas has more interesting quests, especially the main quest when compared to FO3, but Fallout 3's world is more interesting to explore to me.

[Ann Church]

Do you think beth will keep that exploration alive in FO4? I agree the Capital wasteland was an amazing place to explore. It really pulled me in. I did enjoy FO:NV but I just felt like the world was a bit empty but the writing was good I will agree with that.

[Skivs]

I thought it was the opposite. "This new thing is nowhere near as good as our old favourite game, they're dumbing it down! Dumbing down I tell you!'

Thats us older gamers, the people who have been around since the Snes/64/etc. The newer ones seem to be on a giant wagon that changes its colors everytime a new game comes out.

[Kirsty Wood]

No your not the only one. I too enjoy fallout 3 and personally find it to be my favorite in the series. As do alot of people on these forums, it just those few original fans.

[Robert Devlin]

You are not alone!

I love F:NV, but I love FO3 more!

[Dean]

I wouldn't even discuss with people who don't like FO3. It's like back in my youth when I was a great fan of the band Nirvana. People who didn't like them were idiots by definition. It's the same thing with Fallout 3, and it's undebatable!

[Liii BLATES]

Do you think beth will keep that exploration alive in FO4?

I see no reason for them not to. Bethesda is known for making immersive great to explore worlds, its their style, it makes no sense for them to do away with that.

[Ann Church]

I love Fallout 3

And people who don't like Nirvana still are idiots by definition.

[Sista Sila]

You are not alone!

I love F:NV, but I love FO3 more!

This.

[Elizabeth Falvey]

but Fallout 3's world is more interesting to explore .

^
The one aspect that both sides agree on usually.

[Queen of Spades]

Just read some of the comments on this board. A lot of posters on here also post on this board.

http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=47346&sid=df9c9909c387aa5f3f70a3f3f7142a4c

To me it just seems like pure hatred which is uncalled for.

[jesse villaneda]

I feel as though everyone just seems so angry with it. Like it was a disaster. So many people say how bad the writing was, make comment like "oblivion with guns" etc.

A game can be good yet still have enormous flaws. This is pretty much the case with both FO3 and NV. Heck, it was pretty much the case with Oblivion and Morrowind too.

Morrowind's gameplay was broken in numerous ways (alchemy ho!) but it stood based on its atmosphere and lore. Oblivion's worldbuilding and story was broken, but it stood on its graphics, improved gameplay vis a vis Morrowind, and its large amount of content. FO3's story, worldbuilding, and characterization were all terrible, but it stood on its unguided sandbox exploration gameplay. NV's sandbox gameplay is terrible, but it stands on its writing and the level to which the world reacts to the player's actions.

Is anyone else worried that Bethesda might change fallout 4 because of the amount of criticism fallout 3 got from the old fallout fans? I am worried they will make the game more to fit the old fans then the new fans of the franchise.

That's not necessarily a bad thing. New Vegas' main flaw (besides bugs which have mostly been fixed) is its lack of good sandbox content. Its main strength is its intelligent writing and worldbuilding, followed closely by its improved mechanics (ammo types, DT vs DR, threatening enemies who aren't just bullet sponges...) Bethesda deciding to add those strengths to FO4 sounds like a really good thing to me. Particularly if they can maintain good sandbox gameplay.

Why do you fear change, bro? It's the new wave. Games like NV and Mass Effect 2 prove that bad writing is obsolete. Intelligent writing and a world that reacts to your actions is the future. You should sit back and relax and bask in it.

[noa zarfati]

That's not necessarily a bad thing. New Vegas' main flaw (besides bugs which have mostly been fixed) is its lack of good sandbox content. Its main strength is its intelligent writing and worldbuilding, followed closely by its improved mechanics (ammo types, DT vs DR, threatening enemies who aren't just bullet sponges...) Bethesda deciding to add those strengths to FO4 sounds like a really good thing to me. Particularly if they can maintain good sandbox gameplay.

*drools*

Do want in FO4! I am certain that Beth is not stupid enough to overlook NV's main strengths and will actually implement 'em too.

[Svenja Hedrich]

You're telling me that you didn't like FO3 designs? The worldbuilding of fo3 was amazing. Also this whole writing jibe people keep making at beth, Yes I enjoy good writing but I don't playing a game purely for the story. I play for game-play, Environment, Atmosphere, story and FUN. All of which I thought FO3 nailed very well.

It was their first time with a fallout game and they did a great job. I bet even Obsidian think they did a good job.

[Veronica Flores]

Do want in FO4! I am certain that Beth is not stupid enough to overlook NV's main strengths and will actually implement 'em too.

They would not be a very good game company if they didn't take the best from NV. While I favor Fallout 3, what I particularly like about New Vegas was that it improved the way SPECIAL and skills work from F3. When I picked a specialization, (say energy weapons) I felt like I was building a class and had to stick with it. While it Fallout 3 I felt that I was a "jack of all trades" so it speak.

If New Vegas simply had been able to keep the same sort of world building and exploration that Fallout 3 had, I would likely be favoring it now.

[Sylvia Luciani]

It's the way gamers are anymore. "Something new came out, older stuff svcks now."

Not entirely true. Something new came out yes, but that doesn't by any stretch of the imagination mean that it svcks. It's be more of a reflection that many Fallout 3 fans who are now playing New Vegas, have played 3 to death for the last 2+ years and are in dire need of something different. It happens with every new game; from Morrowind to Oblivion, Fallout 3 and when Skyrim comes out I'm sure that New Vegas will fall off the radar a bit as well.

[Roberta Obrien]

You're telling me that you didn't like FO3 designs?

Correct. The worldbuilding had lots of things to explore, and this was good. Better than Oblivion's exploration, considering how Oblivion was basically dungeon copypaste.

However, the problem is that none of the worldbuilding in FO3 made any sense when you start thinking about it. It's two hundred years since the war, yet the most anyone's done is build a town of scrap-hovels? Where do these people get their food? Or their water, given how the plot revolves around it being radioactive? Why are there all these unlooted dungeons around? Why is Canterbury Commons a trade center when it's well away from the actual trade routes? Why do they even use bottle caps as currency? Out west they were backed by the water merchants of the hub and represented a bottle of water, but back east...? How are the super mutants keeping themselves supplied? Where do all the chinese assault rifles actually come from? Why are the hillbillies more deadly than Enclave shock troops? Where did the Brotherhood get all those suits of T-45d PA?

NV, for the most part, fixed all these things. There were gun factories, farms, trading posts, etc. Factions traded with one another, and in general, the world was built for plausibility first. That's why NV's worldbuilding is better, because it comes off as a place that could actually exist, as opposed to a theme park that exists solely to provide a place to explore.

Hence, I think it would be a good thing if Bethesda were to appropriate this trait for FO4. That is, build a believable world and then populate it with dungeons and easter eggs, as opposed to simply starting with a bunch of locations and then trying to figure out how they fit into the world. The problem with NV was that it didn't have enough of these dungeons that weren't connected to quests. I've got a mod that fixes this, and it makes the game far more enjoyable. Bethesda dungeons with Obsidian worldbuilding? Yes please.

Then I think they should appropriate the DT system (and combine it with DR ala Fallout 1 and 2), as well as ammo types, because these mechanics add massively to the depth of the gameplay too. It's not just "write better, kthanxbai."

[CHangohh BOyy]

The problem with NV was that it didn't have enough of these dungeons that weren't connected to quests.

This is one of the reasons why HnH Tool factory is possibly my favorite location in New Vegas. Its got a great backstory that really has nothing to do with the main storyline and ,had there been many more locations like it, I would have been much more satisfied.

[Paul Rice]

I love fo3 it's the best game of all time and don't see why people instantly spew all over it when it turns up in convo and i don't see why the older fallouts are so acclaimed i'm playing through fo1 right now i mean it's decent but people make it like this is the 2nd coming.

[helliehexx]

I love fo3 it's the best game of all time and don't see why people instantly spew all over it when it turns up in convo and i don't see why the older fallouts are so acclaimed i'm playing through fo1 right now i mean it's decent but people make it like this is the 2nd coming.

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3984/rosecoloredglasses.jpg. Sorry, somebody had to say it.

[stevie critchley]

I love fo3 it's the best game of all time and don't see why people instantly spew all over it when it turns up in convo and i don't see why the older fallouts are so acclaimed i'm playing through fo1 right now i mean it's decent but people make it like this is the 2nd coming.

It obviously is if Beth was arsed enough to revive it. :fallout: