A God nomming the world? Sounds cool to me - although I am tempted to not do anything about it in the hopes of seeing a cutscene where Alduin turns into an almighty cookie monster.

How is Tosh Raka anything like Auri-El?
I'm hoping its really Daniel Tosh Raka.

Wow... No I didn't see it like that at all. The reverse was true - I found the idea around the new plot and worldspace exciting, and the detailed views Todd gave us from the tour absolutely thrilling, a tease for the explorer. :goodjob:

I couldn't be more happy, Skyrim is going to be Awesome! :celebration:

Miax

Auri-El... I knew that I wasn't quite right, but I thought that the human name would be 'Alduin'.

Alessian name? That makes sense.

From the little that I have seen of Skyrim, I get the impression that the dragons will be the more traditional (Celtic folklore) type, and not the pimped out dragonlance type. So I have hope.

Hmm all right, that carries a lot more merit then.
Still, I'm extremely skeptical. Apparently Alduin has been prophesied to return for ages. To me, that says he was once here before. I don't think he is a normal dragon. I mean, this Alduin cat seems to mean business. Every main storyline from the past 4 titles were only signs of his return! (The breaking of the Staff of Chaos, the appearance of the Numidium, the Blight of Red Mountain, and the opening of Oblivion.) It feels like this is the big show. My opinion is that the dudes in Akavir (whether they have succeeded or not) are going to stay in Akavir.

It's a Bethesda RPG! Seriously, who cares about the main quest?

I think being overly optimistic is just as bad as being overly pessimistic. Developers need to be criticized for flaws and praised for their strengths. Mindlessly worshipping them gives them a swelled ego and posting incoherent and insulting bilge will cause them to ignore most criticism.

I can't really judge it right now, as there is nothing but a single magazine out on it. Well, maybe I can judge the UI. It looks terrible to me. Huge fonts and horizontal scrolling is a huge NO for me.

But Aedra can't manifest physically. They lost too much of their power when Lorkhan tricked them into pouring their divinity into the creation of the mortal plane (Nirn). The Eight Divines and Lorkhan can only act through avatars. Martin was Akatosh's avatar in Oblivion. Now, with the prophecies fulfilled, Akatosh can manifest more powerfully in Tosh Raka.

I sense a retcon coming, and I doubt that I'll end up to be right. Still, I think my way is the best way (duh).

So you think its Tosh Raka too?

Civil war means politics. Politics means a rich story line. It's going to be good.

There is more to the story. They can't tell us everything because it would spoil the game. The story is fine as it is now anyway.

Ba dum tsssss.

After starting to read into the lore a little, what we know of the story so far is not disappointing at all for me. If anything, it's a plot that seems destined to please everyone; us nerds have got our metaphysical schizophrenic destroyer spirit-deity conflict, and more casual or less lore-inclined people have got a big cool-looking dragon antagonist. And we're the hero this time, if we want to be.

Everything else I've seen so far looks absolutely tremendous. So no, not disappointed at all.

i dont really care about the main quest as long as it decent that enough for me, in both in Morrowind and Oblivion i did the first main story quest and then went exploring for hours whit not touching the others main quest till later.

No your not the only one being at least cautious, and not falling fot the hype. Many people confidence in Bethesda fell with Oblivion.

As you say, as far as we know it could be a gothic V, or dragon age 2 plot, the main plot is generic and is awesomely full of "not this crap again" pitfalls and it will be a miracle if bethesda don t fell in one:
Generic comon ground plot
Overused enemy
Overall history like Oblivion but with diferent pixels.

It surely will please the kids, but old timers will probably find all this much more of the same.
Lacking some not so easy plot. Then dragon at the end could be the saviors, that would be fun.

The map is still dark, but it doesn t sound that promising, unless someone is really creative.

I was excited about the mainplot for as long as i thought there was even the tiniest chance that it wouldnt actually be the same old "Ancient Evil That Must Be Defeated To Save The Whole World From Destruction".

An invasion of the Akaviri would have been a MUCH better choice. Finally, a fantasy rpg with antagonists that feel REAL. Dragons can never be as substantial as a whole army of foreigners who are not necessarily evil or hell bent on destruction of the world , and actually have interests that seem sensible. Heck, scrapping the dragons and just concentrating on the civil war would be so much more interesting, since its given to actually have much more focus on such things as politics, human conflict etc.
Why do fantasy rpg plots always strive to be larger than life? It really kind of cheapens the whole epicness of it.

Ho really no reason to be worried ?

You are the hero from the start, now that we know (ha crap not again)
Dragons are evil (A crap not one more game like this)
Beating dragons won t win the game (Arght as Oblivion gates, probably there just to bother, no relevance in killing them)
Compass
Bullet time (if i wish to have bullet time i wait for FEAR3), wait we have to be able to kill dragons some way.
scale leveling huh, if reaaaallly improved maybe
When you get a mission the game assign it to a dungeon your never be, to ny mission (what ? can t i have been there already ? and have done or posses the goal of the mission ? new version of GOAT chase ?)

Nothing to be disappointed about yet - we haven't seen the actual plot. Thou I must admit the dragon thing is quickly getting worn out - Dragon age, WoW last expansion and so on... Lack of dragons actually made TES different, but if they do it right it may be interesting, and by doing it right I mean that it shouldn't turn in to another generic dragon story - TES has it's own colorful and diverse lore, if the dragons in Skyrim would be an integral part of that lore and different form all the rest generic huge lizards it would be brilliant. But if we are getting dragons for the sake of "wow, me - knight me - wants to fight dragon, yay!" than I'll be hugely disappointed. I always found daedra to be much more interesting, exotic and diverse enemies than a standard fantasy set.

I would say if you're not the only one who's already disappointed, perhaps you're a member of an extremely tiny group of disappointed villagers.

I'm more excited about Skyrim than I've ever been about any upcoming game release, reflecting on what we've learned so far.

Considering the hundreds of hours you can enjoy playing each of the previous several Bethesda massive open sandbox-type RPGs, even if there wind up being any flaws in Skyrim, I'm sure it will be well worth the purchase price. And I'm confident there will be a modding tool and the modding community will give you options to change any of the elements that you don't like.

No, I for one wasn't disappointed in Oblivion. And judging from the bits of information we have I *think* it may very well become my favorite game of all time. Knocking Morrowind off it's pedestal. :shrug:

No you are not the only one , there are more people then you that suffer from one degree of forest gumpishness or another

I'm actually on the other side of the pendulum here with what we know about the story. I think Skyrim could very well be the most well-written and compelling story for TES yet. What everyone needs to understand is that dragons in TES aren't your typical cookie cutter dragons in fantasy. For one, dragons in TES are very intelligent beings and have their own language. This also isn't the first TES game to have dragons (see Redguard), so it's not like Bethesda is merely jumping on the bandwagon of copying everyone else. If anything, games like Dragon Age and WoW got inspiration from TES. Once we get closer to launch and know a lot more about the game, I'm sure people will be very intrigued by the story and really see the potential it truly has.

For the Gods' sakes, we have nothing to base this on. I'm looking forward to the fanservicey references to the other games

Edit: and Dragons could help the gameplay and atmosphere a lot. My brother was playing Borderlands, and even I got an adrenaline rush when this big bad guy blasted him. And that's what Elder Scrolls should be about, for me.

Same here friend. Oblivion was definitely a great game, and worthy of the TES title. But it didn't topple Morrowind, and there are various reasons for that. From what we have seen of Skyrim so far though, it definitely has a lot of potential. Very exciting times.