I never said that your opinions are invalid or bad. I just said that they will never be satisfied if the only thing you compare to is Morrowind.

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I'm quickly loosing interest in The Fallout Scrolls: Skyrim.

Agreed.

When more than half of the new information are things they REMOVED, you know you're in trouble.

Well, here's the thing. Most people who are actually comparing Skyrim to another game really aren't comparing it to Morrowind. They're actually comparing it to Oblivion.

True, most people on here view Oblivion as somewhat of a disappointment, but they're still comparing Skyrim to it. Mostly because they don't want to be disappointed again. They're hoping it'll be better than Oblivion.

Even though I do think Morrowind is the better game, I'm still comparing Skyrim to Oblivion just for the reasons above. I was disappointed with Oblivion, and if Skyrim can at least be somewhat better than it in my eyes, then I'll be happy.

And you can see, with features being removed and such, that people are honestly worried that it'll be worse than Oblivion.

Yes, but for every feature removed there are new features being implemented. The game is changing, and people need to adapt with it. This is why comparing it to an older game is stupid. Sure, that game was good in many regards, but Skyrim is going to be much different, so how can you compare single parts of the game?

I'm excited for Skryim (as well as many other games!) and I loved both Oblivion and Morrowind. (I have played Morrowind first and I still love both MW and Oblivion, so I am a bit of an exception, lol.) =)

I'm really anticipating the game and any tidbit of information is just gravy with me. :celebration:

What I noticed in forums in general, though, is that many people are always worried about their game/tv/movie/book/whatever series being http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RuinedFOREVER and there tends to be a bit of a http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/BrokenBase/VideoGames depending on the series (Elder Scrolls is one of them).

Not only that, many long-lasting franchise may have something called: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnpleasableFanbase. I think Elder Scrolls is becoming a lot like this, lol. (Even the SIMS games forums have people complaining, lol! So there will always be complaining no matter what.) It will not matter how little/big change there is---someone will always complain about something, heh.

Morrowind vs. Oblivion players. hardcoe vs. Casual. "What is considered an RPG" arguments abound, etc. Blaming on the casual/XBOX/console players is also rampant now.

Some people are just worried that their fav. series may have changes that are not true to TES or will not be a good change (in their opinion), while others just want to criticize every flaw just to complain.

I understand some of the (more reasonable) complaints. Morrowind had a... more different, alien, interesting feel, while Oblivion feels more like a typical medieval setting that is more easier to play. I'm one of those who prefer the combat in Oblivion, though. More action-based on player's skill than character skill. However, Morrowind had a more.... immersive, exploring feeling than Oblivion.

I still love both, though, and I am so excited to see more of Skryim!

I'm going to ignore the forums as well (except to see news/info and more positive topics) until Skyrim comes out --or at least, until a demo or some kind of video gamplay comes out, so more legitimate concerns and constructive criticism can be discussed more rationally and not speculative worrying and panicking, lol. :thumbsup:

Yes, this is exactly my sentiment. I love Morrowind and Oblivion both, but I realize that they are different games. Morrowind is more adventurous and deep while Oblivion is more action packed and exciting. They are different games and they are both good games. The fan base is unsatisfiable not only due to the vast amount of varying opinions, but due to old attachments to the old games and such.

Well, it's only natural for people to make comparisons and expect the next installment of something to be better. If anything, it's stupid to not compare to previous installments and expect better, especially with the advancements in technology these days.

It's like you listening to your favorite band that sounds different than everyone else, who just decided to sell out on their next album, and then saying "Oh. I don't mind that the band sounds crappy now and not original to me. It's still my band, so I'll love this album no matter what."

That doesn't really make much sense to me.

What. Spears are not in, but they weren't in Oblivion anyway; spellmaking they still are considering, so it's not definitely out ; as for dialogues, there already were NPCs who had only rumours in Oblivion, and whom you couldn't interrogate. And Todd Howard said they tried to have it possible at one point that all NPC could become quest-givers (thus you could at one point dialogue with them). They dropped it : but it still confirms my suspicion that a LOT of those untalkative NPCs could very much talk at some point.

What else has been removed ? Even if I forgot a lot, how does that make "more than half the info ?"

How about the things that were added - new spell effects, town economies, dynamic quests, 120 different dungeons, throwing weapons... ?

I am, indeed, very excited. But, I don′t want a ruined game like, for example, Supreme Commander. Or.. Well I don′t know, I wan′t the game, maybe a good game, maybe more casualized, maybe I'm smarter because I know cats can be bats can be rats can be hats can be gnats can be thats can be thises. And that doors can be boars can be snores can be floors can be roars can be spores can be yours can be mine. I must be smart, for the interconnective system is very clear to me. Then why, or wherefore do people keep calling me mad?

Wabbajack. Wabbajack. Wabbajack. :ahhh:

There you have the root of the problem.

Indeed. I just think people are too attached to things. Even if the thing is nothing like how they want it to be, they'll still stand by it, defend it, and say it's great.

It just doesn't make sense to me is all.

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It IS an expansion.To the title TES.Just like Morrowind was.The real game is Arena.Rest is expansion.Some are bad,some are good,some are better than the vanilla game.

Why do people complain about Star Wars Episode One? Why do people complaint about all the Star Wars prequells?

Poeple compare older games to the current one because what else are you going to base it off? Why do people need to adapt? It was Bethesda who is adapting to their "non core fans" so they get more sales. We supported Bethesda with Arena, Daggerfall, Battlespire, Morrowind, Oblivion, Fallout 3 and New Vegas. (oops forgot Redguard, but sadly I didn't get it.) It is Bethesda who has left us. So I would say we did adapt with still continuing to buy their games.

I have a question for you. If it's so "stupid", then what do we compare it to then? If I am not mistaken, Bethesda or should I say Todd, have compared Skyrim to Oblivion by saying this is better or this is streamlined. So I guess you are saying Todd is stupid then?

Again, what will you compare it too if you don't with an older game?

Not really excited. I'm sure it will be a good game.

But it won't feel like a TES game to me, what with so many of its signature features (birthsigns, custom spell creation, etc) have been scrapped instead of re-worked to fit within the new skill/leveling framework.

Thing is, people say Morrowind = success. Some say Oblivion = disappointment. Neither are true. Games advance, and you'll favor something over another. If you dislike either, you lack appreciation of gaming. Some people just CAN'T move on. For example, my brother still scorns new games and reminisces of the old nintendo games.

I LOVE gaming in general, RPG's specifically. I love both Morrowind and Oblivion. I am very happy I'm even born in the generation to play these games. Skyrim will not be successful in the minds of one-way people.

Its going to be an amazing game. Bethesda crafts the best open world adventure RPG's that money can buy in my opinion. Everyone needs to stop worrying and wait til they play the game to pass judgement.

I'm very excited (did I spell that right? I'll only learn if people tell me when I'm wrong ). I'm happy with what we heard in the pod cast. I think people get so upset about the game because they care about the game so much.

The only thing I am not excited about is the amount of time I have to wait to play this game. I needz it naow!!!!! ^_^

There will always be negativity and complaining. Go to any game forum, and you'll see. It's a fascinating trend, although it's also very annoying. Myself, I'm so eager my mouth was watering when I listened to the podcast just now. I've never looked forward to a game as much as TES V in my life.

I'm very exited. I swear to Julianos, I had the biggest smile EVER on my face when I heard the pounding beat, the atmospheric chant of the intro to the podcast.

I don't know why people are so worried that the game will change and all that. That all change is for the worse is a lie. Change can just as well be for the better, and I have faith in Bethesda. They gave us Fallout 3 and Oblivion; two of the greatest games last decade. Now they're back. With a new engine and a new world - a new era - and only time will tell if Skyrim really is going to be the crown of the series. But I choose to believe so.

As was said earlier in this thread, I'm probably gonna avoid the forums the first few months after release. (Not that I would be here anyway; I'd be too busy slaying dragons).

Not really, seeing as everything they've removed has been either redundant, broken or uninteresting. That's my opinion anyway, I don't feel like anything that's been removed will be missed.

Same.

Everything I've heard is amazing. Easily the best game in history (after Oblivion :celebration: ).