I'm still looking forward to Skyrim, but the initial excitement has worn off, and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't concerned about a few things. Birthsigns, attributes, spell making. I just don't know enough about the game. I've enjoyed the other games though, Oblivion included. I see all it's faults, but it was my first ES game, so I have a soft spot for it.

Nope. Was hyped, still hyped. :nod:

Count on me to point out the bits I don't like once I start playing though.

It’s the same with every game that comes out. People just want a rehash of the experience they already had and any change to the formula is blasphemy. Doesn’t matter if spell crafting is replaced by something better, without it the experience won’t be the same as the one we remember. You'll find many Oblivion haters among those who played Morrowind first, but people who played Oblivion first tend to enjoy both. I imagine the same will carry for Skyrim.
In short, nostalgia is a powerful aspect of entertainment, and more importantly Haters gonna Hate.

im still exited - just wish for more news

Thanks for the blanket generalizations.

I enjoy how, while many with a gripe will present valid reasoning for why they didn't enjoy certain aspects, there are those who defend games or just blatantly attack those who didn't outright enjoy with will often lack a decent argument. Its just 'nostaliga' and 'rose tinted glasses' thrown around left and right.

The truth of the matter is that you can't handle that we didn't like those games. I can handle that people liked Oblivion. I can't handle it when people tell me to keep my opinions to myself about trying to make the game something that I can enjoy.

Perhaps you're too busy looking at the good in things to see the failure of features creeping up behind you. I enjoy examining every direction and angle of a game, good or bad.

I don't hate Oblivion, but I feel that It didn't live up to the experience of Morrowind.

Why can't we have an opinion? Is it all about nostalgia now?

I think not.

also people think that they are expert video game designers and can chose weather an attribute of a game is bad just by mere mention of it

and to whoever is above me I think it is nostalgia, everything is better the first time around, like drugs, but I played Oblivion first and I thought it was far better than Oblivion. There is a bit of evidence to support that one game is better than the other in certain aspects, but I think that when it comes down to it nostalgia has the most influence than any other factor.

True statement is true. I'm literally glad my money is going over to BGS/Bethesda Softworks instead of EA, Blizzard and Activision. :celebration:

The Elder Scrolls is definitely one of the best series out there. Very few other games and series compare.

It's all opinion. How was Oblivion less entertaining? I think it was MORE entertaining because it wasn't impossibly difficult.

also Bethesda isn't as greedy as Ubi$oft, so they do care about the customers

Im extremely excited, i cant wait!

I am actually pretty excited, it sounds like it will be the best ES game (imo) I even made a countdown clock on my background so I know how many days are left, 281, 4 hours, 9 min, 16sec

That would be me, above you.

You have an opinion, and that's all it is.

I get nostalgic playing both games, and I still prefer Morrowind.

So let's leave it at that.



How strange because I've heard countless tales of how people "Complained" that Morrowind was too easy after level 20.

Level scaling in Oblivion was horrific.

In my opinion!

Really because I can list tons of things that are wrong with both games, but still find plenty to enjoy in them.
There are some things that Morrowind did do better than Oblivion and vice versa.
Your right I can't understand someone not liking Oblivion but that’s their opinion, what I don’t like is when people pick at Oblivion for things that were not broken but simply different from Morrowind. Level scaling aside, I think that most changes in Oblivion were for the better.
You can’t deny the effect nostalgia has, in Oblivion people who loved Morrowind want the exact same experience and then they are disappointed when anything is changed.
I know my first run of Skyrim won't be the same as Oblivions, nothing can replace that, but saying that the games going to svck because its making changes you know almost nothing about is stupid.
If you want Morrowind play Morrowind, but don't expect the Elder Scrolls to simply be Morrowind with better graphics.

I'm excited for this [censored] son

I can't even possibly begin to fathom how Morrowind was "impossibly difficult" lol. How on Earth is Morrowind "impossibly difficult"? It's challenging, and requires you to use your brain. That's the key difference from Morrowind to Oblivion. Oblivion did not, at all, require any thought process to get through quest, thanks to the lolcompass and Fast Travel.
OH, ARROW! *DISAPPEARS* YAY QUESTCOMPLETED

Sorry, I didn't mean that Morrowind was impossibly difficult. I thought that because Oblivion was easier in some regards, it was funner. That doesn't mean that Morrowind wasn't funner in other ways.

How does fast travel dumb down Oblivion? You can only travel to places you have already been.
In both games quest related places were often marked on your map, so finding places was never terribly difficult in Morrowind unless the directions you were given are poorly written. Hell if I recall Oblivion had way more quest related puzzles than Morrowind.

This.

Trust me, you don't want to get into a fast travel debate with me, because you wouldn't win. I'm far too stubborn, and I'm sure you are too. So we're not even going to get into it. (because I'd be right) ^_^

Needless to say, questing in Morrowind was far superior than questing in Oblivion. Morrowind had that sense of epic adventure, and exploration. In Oblivion, you just fast traveled to the closest marker relevant to the big arrow on your map. That's not very fun. To me, at least.

The problem is that people set their expectations way too high. I remember all of the speculation discussion, where people suggested thousands upon thousands of things that had to be in the game, and when they didn't see it, they became very disappointed. Moral of the story, Bethesda is a reasonable company and they know that Duke Nukem Forever strategies don't work. Maybe if you want to go make a game that's a perfect simulation of life with magic, dragons, and cat people, go ahead. I'm gonna enjoy Skyrim for what it's worth.

I think our past selves from 3 months ago would be ashamed to see these forums. Back then people would be willing to accept any game as long as it was called Elder Scrolls V.

Very well let’s agree to disagree. Neither game requires much brain power to play anyway.

I'm excited. I loved Oblivion and Morrowind. I love the world, the setting.

I'm one of those people who are relatively easy to please, though. Oblivion wasn't that different from Morrowind. All of the basic features of TES- open world exploration, magic, 10 races, sidequests, factions, etc., all were there.

Spellmaking, spears, crossbows, werewolves... all these things are good, but they're not deal breakers. Frankly, I don't really care about the loss of spears/xbows in Oblivion. They aren't there, big deal, getting hung up about it won't help anything.

As somebody who's been going to college for video game design, I also recognize that sometimes Bethesda doesn't have complete leeway. They exist to sell money, and ONLY exist to sell money. If they made a game that was targeted only towards the hardcoe TES gamers, they'd cut off a large portion of the customer base. Frankly, I'd rather have a slightly dumbed-down

Change is good. Stagnancy is bad. I'd rather we had new experiences rather than, say the Dynasty Warriors series of video games, which is literally the same video game every. single. damn. year.

Most of the "hate" on the forums imo is silly. There is very little information out about the game, and most of the complaints arnt even confirmed and are based on potential mis-translations and misunderstandings.

From what i read of the italian article i got something completely different out of the "no spell making" issue. I got that spell PERKS would not be customizable and would not combine, not the spell itself. But we shall see.

I thoroughly enjoyed both obliv and morrowind, though i must say i liked oblivion better because of the gameplay mechanics imo were better (such as spells and such) Was there room for improvement? sure. Is there room for improvement in anything? you bet.

People always should voice concerns, but the riot like frenzy i have seen of "OMG ITS IS RUINED I WONT BUY IT!!!" is simply silly. I wont believe something until beth or a source beth has authorized says it. (this means i dont believe the Italian article that so many reference, i have seen no confirmation from beth.)