You've obviously never held down a 40 hour a week job in your life.
- If your boss wants you to change your work habits but doesn't say how, he's an idiot. Find a new employer, because he's just tallying up points to fire you instead of trying to help you be a good worker.
- If a customer complains about your product without actually saying what they would like to see work better, they're an idiot. If they don't know what they want, then you have no reason to be changing anything because they'll just hate that too. Throw their complaint into the bottomless pit of "never gonna do it" change requests and start working closer with the customers providing useful feedback.

And finally:
- When a self-entitled gamer comes on an internet forum to moan about how they don't like something without being able to formulate why or what would be better within the existing game mechanics, they're an idiot. Put them on ignore and forget they exist because you will never satisfy them. They're more interested in nurturing their smug hate than finding new and interesting games to play.

I love the game, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to give constructive feedback on things that I feel are a little flawed.

That is taken by some as a dire act of treason however.

And if no-one gave bug reports, how would a developer ever know what bugs people were experiencing?

I do think some people go a bit over the top though with the over-dramatic "OMG Bethesda have ruined my life" type of posts, but the internet is full of melodrama and hyperbole, so that fact that it happens here should come as no surprise.

All I know is, when my boss pays me to solve problems, it's my job to find the solutions. When he finds someone's work unsatisfying he'll usually tell them the problem, and it's up to them to remedy. There are times when the boss gives solution and we just have to execute, but those are few. And when the boss really wants to fire someone, he doesn't usually tell them their problems anymore.
This is especially true if you are the head of a team. Your boss usually only tells you whether your team's result is satisfactory or not. And it's up to you and your teammates to find the solution.

But anyways, that's how most jobs here in my city work. Your job seems nice though. Helping you to become a better worker, eh. Reminds me of schools, helping you to become a better student.

And for the rest of your post, I'll just keep my reply short.
You mean customers and gamers should provide the alter solutions. I think it's good to do so, but not necessary.

When people complain how short and lackluster the guild quests are, do you mean they should also present a whole new set of quests to Bethesda, with every NPCs involved and dialogues and such? Providing reasons and pinpointing the problem is good enough in this situation. I don't think it's necessary for us to formulae a whole new set of quests to Bethesda in this situation. Even if we do, I doubt they'll use much of it.

And there are other problems that's so obvious I doubt the necessity of providing a solution. Like PS3 save bug, backward flying dragons, companions not scaling with you, etc. Do you mean we should also tell Bethesda how to code properly to make the dragons fly forward? Even if players out here really know how to code, they still can't help due to the lack of source code. But at least people find these problems, and obviously Bethesda can't find these in their internal tests.

Probably because he means Milankovitch...Milutin Milankovitch, who I highly doubt made that quote. If ConnivingEagle wants to throw around the term 'idiot', he should consider talking to a mirror.

No brother.

Everyone likes it except for about 10 nerds who won't stay off the forum.

They just have issues.

Don't believe the hype.

I'm loving it. It's just like Oblivion with better graphics really. Just what I expected. I've only had a couple of crashes in more than 20 hours and the only bugs I've seen are the odd graphics glitch like a falling mammoth or stuck deer. Quests could be a little deeper, but otherwise fine.

What a question

Cheers

No.

Never judge a games merits on it's respective forum, it's a skewered view.Forums are a minority and most players don't use them.

For every hundred people happily playing the game one might post how they like it, for every hundred who hate the game 99 joined here last week.

Personally I love this game, I don't see how people can get annoyed over the "terrible perk system" or "dissapointing ending". Bethesda has been working on this game for three years, I'm not saying its perfect, but let's try and enjoy the good aspects of this game rather than focusing on the small bugs or things that YOU don't like.

It is not that the people who are complaining do not like the game. It is most of them felt it could be improved in many ways. Their complaints are what feed Bethesda to create better games in the future.

Yeah but the things you don't like spoil the game. The Xbox graphics spoiled the game for me, repeating voices, repeating sayings of the NPC's, major bugs, bad performance in towns, broken quests. Fun how reviews don't take this into consideration when giving a game GOTY because clearly they have been paid off or biased.

Probably neither. It think it's a question of how much time a journalist or reviewer can really put into the game before givng the review. I don't think they play for 100 hours, so they don't see everything -- which is 180 degrees from a movie in which a reviewer get to see all of the content before passing judgement. It would be like trying to review a movie after watching the first 10 minutes -- it's a poor reflection of the entire movie, especially for movies that don't start with a bang or movies that are only interesting for the first ten minutes.

You didnt look very hard before posting as the front page always has "Im having fun and who cares about anyone else" posts.

I love the game and anyone who doesnt is a whining troll...... thats the content of half of these posts and you should be ashamed of yourselves as not only are you being hypocrits but your condoning others not able to have what you have. I enjoyed skyrim but there isnt any reason to keep playing it at the moment until its had some more work done.

If somebody cannot play the game then they have a right to complain.

When a patch breaks ppls games they have a right to complain.

For the "I'm superior and ignore them" crowd, why are you in here complaining that others dont enjoy the game? Its hard to form a response without insulting you as you are so easily insulting all legitimate complaints by banding them the players who are never happy. Many of the features you love are in this game because of complaints on these forums from previous games so bethesda can take critcism. Why cant you allow the game to be made better.

No...youre not the only one...I like it too...like a dissaproving dad!

Call it tough love!

100% agreed but that's what the hardware issues section is for.

Most of the complaints here, in this section, lately are just stupid."I can't feed my horse grain...this game is broken and I hate it!!" etc, etc.

Kids(actually also a lot teenagers and young advlts) these days can't take any criticisms, neither can their favorite toys.

I blame the education system, only allowing teaches and parents to praise their kids, but never criticize them. I remember my teacher once said, "People say you can't criticize your kids, otherwise they'll grow up accomplishing nothing. Then, they grow up accomplishing nothing."

Criticism is what make a person matural, and it also makes a product closer to perfect.

Criticizing something doesn't mean you don't like it. On the contrary, you'll only criticize it because you care for it. I really doubt parents criticize their kids only because they hate their kids or want them to be bad.

I like the game, but does it have fualts - yes
does it fullfill my expectations - no
does it follow in the tradition of TES - no
Would I vote it game of the year - no

But its fun all the same.

OH MY GOD! You aren't allowed to finish the main quest. You are playing it wrong! NEWB!

I love the game personally, but to each his own I suppose.

You can read my review http://smartmonstergaming.blogspot.com/2011/12/elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-review.html. :biggrin:

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I won't elaborate on that ^ other than to say that there are many viable ways to raise a child, and not all of them include criticism; that each child will react to different child rearing techniques differently; and that children often achieve or fail despite their parents' best efforts. Anyway, OT:

I'm sure Bethesda's taking note of criticism, which is well and good, but they don't really ever seem to do anything with it. They may as well not be noting criticism.

What I mean is it's not okay to either only praise ,or criticize. Only doing both can lead to a better result.
Clear enough?

Love the game, it has a few flaws which I have given feedback about, but it's one of the best games released over the last few years.

I like the game when it works.