But that doesn't have anything to do with Destruction, it's because (I assume) you were wearing no armor and had almost no health. That's a completely separate issue from Destruction. You can use Destruction just fine while wearing heavy armor or even holding a shield, and you can put more points into Health. If people's main complaint is that they die too quickly in melee, I really don't think that has anything to do with Destruction.

Would be nice if there was a + destruction damage enchantment.

Even it was capped at 10% per enchant and was limited to jewelry only.

I can get on board with those that think that the destruction tree is not as damaging as say, archery. But that's where it ends. With impact you almost don't give opponents the opportunity to hit you. Furthermore, I can't understand why at level 50 and above, your mage would only have destruction perks. What about the other trees? It's like a two handed warrior complaining that he dies too much because he only has two-handed specced. What about armor? What about blocking?

Honestly, and I don't say this a lot, if you are a mage at level 50 and you aren't jumping all over some other branches of magic, you are gimping yourself and only have yourself to blame if you fail.

No... my character had a high health value in full armor while switching between dual 1H and dual destruction spells (impacted.) Nothng mattered. The scaling was bugged. It might be an issue for others here too.

I did jump to another tree, melee so I could kill faster.

If I wanted to spam 1 attack, I said I may as well spam my awesome sword. Destro spells need to scale.

the lyring convention is that way buddy, go outside

I find it confusing that people are saying that a particular skill (like destruction) is broken because you can't rely on it exclusively for building your character. Only concentrating on one magic school without using any of the others doesn't make for a very successful Mage. It would be like having a successful thief concentrating on pickpocket (but ignoring sneak or lockpicking), or a fighter concentrating on Two Handed (but ignoring any armor, or block). To be a successful adventurer, you need to use a combination of various skills.

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Does archery do a lot more damage on its own, or are you guys talking about using the enchanting/alchemy/smithing exploit to create some kind of uber-bow and then using sneak attacks? Because that isn't "Archery", that's four other skills that are pretty much maxed out and taking up half your perks, plus a questionable gameplay exploit. If you're an archer without crafting skills and not sneak attacking, are you still that much more powerful than a mage? I haven't played a high level archer so I don't know.

No, its gone because you are posting about an issue then clearly demonstrate that you do not understand it.


The problem is the lack of damage, not the lack of defense. You can kill anything in the game as destro, but for that you dont have a choice but to use 100% cost reducing enchants and even then it takes so long (eventually) that its just not efficient.

Let me put it this way: a lvl 50 mage with 100 in destruction and full perks will deal more damage with a bow and no perk in archery.

EDIT:
That is not what we are saying. What we are saying is that we want to be non-pet-relyant mages. That can mean Destruction/Alteration/Restoration for exemple. Its not that we dont want to use other trees, but playing with summons changes the gameplay completely.

Look at it this way: its as if a warrior using 2h perks could not function unless he started sneaking. Its out of character.

It's true. And, I don't take well to being called a liar by a punk kid with nothing constructive to add. Be a useful troll or be a gone troll.

im sorry, but this is being http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_-Tdtglzp6yE/TUk07mvpPmI/AAAAAAAAAIY/hKwIJMyIbsU/s1600/bored.jpg, not a http://rmtc.fsdb.k12.fl.us/tutorials/images/interwrite.jpg. sorry for trolling/grammar nazi.

but anyways, I agree. Im level forty and im stronger than i every was, because i didnt specifically invest in Destruction magic. All i have to to do is paralyze them, and create a blizzard then pick off any survivors

I currently am playing a 49 archer with dual weild using fur armor on expert, i'd say it's about equivalent to a mages output and input damage.

Remember though as all games have done it Mage>Warrior, Archer>Mage, Warrior>Archer. This is only judged by distance from character. If I can keep a warrior away I can kill him, however CQC i'll die.

I've been using Destruction for 42 levels, I think I understand it fine. No one has really answered any of my questions; and you only said that it's fine but will start getting difficult at some nebulous point in the future... when is that? Level 50? 60? 70? And what, exactly, is difficult about it? Are you just talking about having low armor and health? I guess I still don't see what that has to do with Destruction necessarily.

Nuh uh. It's board as in getting on board a ship. My moms taughts me the grammars. :wink_smile:

Destruction Magic is fine, as long as you dont burn down any buildings, or so I was told.

I dont really like the Magic system in general, but for an FPS combat system it is okay.
The balance isnt the best, that is often very visible with Destruction Magic, but goes through the whole game.
There are just to many to awkward ups and downs in difficulty aka enemy strength.
So at one point in the game Destruction is fine, at another point it is not.
I would recommend not to rely only on Destruction as only way to deal damage, it isnt really good at handling the difficulty leaps.
In my opinion it is also boring, but that is a matter of taste I guess.

Then there must be a lot of confused adventurers out there who only rely on, say swords, because obviously swords couldn't possibly be viable offensively on their own and scale with your skill level and gear...

Oh wait that is exactly what they do, that destruction doesn't.

I don't use 100% cost reduction, and I've been fine. And again, what do you mean by "so long"? Are we talking on the order of a few seconds? Is it more than four or five hits? I don't consider that "so long" but maybe I just have too much patience.

What "bow" do you mean, like a bow you can find in the game, or are you talking about the enchanting/alchemy/smithing exploit? Because I've shot things with a glass bow a few times to use poison and it doesn't do anywhere near the same damage as my spells.

You do not understand the issue we are talking about, because you play with summons. You have not played a nuker for 42 lvls, you have played a summoner. People are complaining that they cant be nukers, aka, you dont understand the issue.

The problem is that destruction spells have a maximum damage potential. I have a level 52 Mage with a 700 Magicka pool and 200% regen (with enchanted items of course). I have almost every perk in the Destruction tree.

The Master Level Destruction spells are cool, and they do a lot of damage, but they have really long charge up periods. Usually an enemy is on top of me before I can actually cast it.

it depends what type of mage you play, magic is a bit underpowered, a max magic attack only does about 200 damage and attacks from other schools of combat like heavy weapons or bows can do like 800 damage per attack so thats a big difference, so magic is undepowered, i have low destruction magic costs, which is really necessary for a mage at higher levels especially, but i use all schools of magic, alteration, illusion and conjuration and overall i don't have unlimited mana, maybe for one school of magic at a time, but you can have an unlimited amount of arrows pretty much, i have tons of em, i can't even use em fast enough, and heavier weapons users can pretty much do all the damage they want and not use up stamina so they have unlimited too but with more damage output. so the "no magic cost" really only applies to one field of magic at a time, short of double enchating items, so if you only use one school of magic yeah you can say you have unlimited mana, but overall if you use all schools of magic, you will use your magic up if you're doing things like using alteration, illusion and conjuring all in the same battle. so its not totally free.

I've only ever made it to level 48... but Destruction wasn't so much underpowered. I thought the rune spells were weak, considering there's a perk you can spend on them. They should have scaled in damage, but they become rather useless later on, so it's a wasted perk. And the final tip of the elemental damages, those perks are stupid. Disintegrate? More like... vanish. More often than ever, the ashes were falling through the floor/ground, or disappearing or something. Not to mention ashes stick around forever, once they appear. I will never take any of those perks again.

yeah the master spells are atrocious.

Uuhg. May as well just use the freaking console to kill em. Same damn effect, just quicker. That perk is like using the Sandman in TF2, weak. Stunning your opponent over and over is not a cure.



It's not that Destruction is un-doable. (With Conjuration/Companion help.) It's just lame.

When my Destruction skill is 3 times higher than my One-handed, and it takes 8x longer to do the same amount of damage, something is wrong, in my opinion.

I don't want a god character, I just don't want to have to waste 20 minutes killing something that takes 2 hits with a sword......again, with my Destruction skill 3x higher than One-handed.....how does that make sense?

I want to play a Destruction mage, not a Whittling mage thank you very much.

I wish people would stop saying things like "Use the other magics". That is not the issue. Look at it this way. With everything else equal, physical weapons increase as your skill does. Your magic weapon, as that's what Destruction is, a weapon, does not, explain the logic there please?

Weapons should be treated equally, whether magical or physical!

umm i just realized i posted in the wrong thread... sorry :/. i saw the wod "board" and i thought that was it

But you can rely on it. In fact, if you're going pure mage, you should rely on it. But it should be the only thing in you bag of tricks. If I anger a room full of high level draugurs, I shouldn't expect to spam one or two fireballs to clear the room. I should look at my options. Can I drop a daedra here to give me som breathing room? Or can I cast mayhem and put some distance between me and them? Once you have the distance though, you should absolutely nuke them with destruction.

I don't understand why mages would use melee weapons as anything but a last resort. If you're a battlemage or spellsword then I get it. But aren't you investing more in restoration and alteration if magical melee is your thing? Because a spellsword focused solely on destruction magic strikes me as a glass cannon wrapped in paper mache whilst standing above a lit brazier.