To attempt to have Ulfric get Skyrim back into the Empire, which would mean they have to svck up their pride and allow Talos worship and get rid of the other absurd laws they put in place. Honestly, Ulfric and the Stormcloaks can probably get the Thalmor out of Skyrim themselves while being allied with the Empire in secrecy to avoid conflict with the Thalmor on a large scale. Of course for this, a better emperor has to be put in place of the Medes. The Empire without Skyrim really doesn't have much of a chance to fight off the Dominion.

So, if there is a continuation of the CW, who can see Ulfric allying with the Empire if they allow them to freely worship Talos after they get the Thalmor out of Skyrim?

Dragonborn means Empire isn't needed.

I already killed Ulfric, many times. My last save I believe he's still lying dead, cuddled up in the corner of the blue palace with his boyfriend. heh

(Shout at me will ya!?! Idiot, do you KNOW who I am??? FUS ROH DAHHHHHHHHH!!!!)

In-game, that may be possible. But in lore, that's just unfathomable. You know, unless they DB gets the help of dragons, which people find hard to wrap their heads around that.
You honestly think Bethesda will have that in Lore? Hell no.

The Dragonborn DLC gave us a shout that lets us mind control dragons. Is it really so unreasonable that Bethesda could have the Dragonborn master this shout and lead a dragon army? Also, shouts are WAY more powerful in lore than in-game. For instance, Cyrodiil was literally shouted from a jungle into the temperate forest we know it as.

Traditionally, everything that can happen in a game does happen in a game, and given the generally even split of opinion on the Civil War, I don't think they'll break tradition by making the Empire or the Stormcloaks the "canon" victors. Usually the main quest supercedes auxillary quests, which would mean at the very least the Season Unending peace treaty would be "canon", if not some entirely different gloss-over.

In future game lore? I don't know, I know he has a lot of devoted [censored]/girls but honestly, I don't really think he's that important/interesting/impressive of a character anyways. Skyrim has always been a strong supporter of the empire, just because some dude with minor shouting abilities, a grufty beard and a bad attitude thinks otherwise doesn't make it so.

Here's a thought...

If Skyrim succeeds in breaking away from the Empire, the Imperials could turn it to their advantage.

1. Sever all ties with Skyrim. No more trade, or anything else.
2. Allow and encourage the Aldmeri to take over Skyrim, promising not to aid them in any way. Even offer them permission to pass through Cyrodiil on the way.
3. The Dominion invades Skyrim, and it proves catastrophic: the Aldmeri army is not prepared for the mountains, ice, and dragons.
4. The Empire quietly sets about creating dissention in Valenwood and Elseweyr, who are also losing people in the Thalmor's version of Vietnam/Afghanistan.
5. When Summerset stands alone, the Imperials invade Summerset. Their disgruntled allies don't bother to help. The Dominion snake is decapitated.

Remember, superior training and equipment doesn't always bring victory. Cunning and knowing the terrain helps too. So does sheer determination: remeber that in Vietnam, the VC and NVA lost, proportionally (comparing casualties vs. population base), about 40 times as many fighters as we did. But they kept fighting. We didn't. And South Vietnam turned red.

I would slash a claymore at the Thalmor and bring it to a rest in Ulfric's face. He needs to go in any compromise.

Please explain why.
And anyway, he won't.

Here here!!!

(hear hear?)

Explain why?! He killed the High King, started a civil war, and now claims the throne of the High King. He is a self-serving ego maniac who cares nothing about Skyrim or its people. He needs to fall on his sword, or renounce his claim to High King before I would even consider a compromise.

Maybe because Torygg support an empire that executed those who worship Talos?
And also, I don't like him, either. I'd much rather have someone else be High King, but Torygg was a coward. Talk to him in Sovngarde.
And the reason he claims to be High King is because he killed the old High King in a duel, i.e the way the Nords do it.
So your argument about him NOT being High King are idiotic.

Way to try to start another CW flame war.

The only time in history that anyone was able to defeat Summerset Ilse and get them to surrender was when Tiber activated Walk Brass. The Maomer was able to get boots on the ground, but never could occupy it. Reman only got them to join in-name-only, if I remember correctly.

Currently, the only way for Tamriel to really have decisive victory over the Thalmor is to have divine intervention. The Thalmor know how to play it smart, are extremely patient, and are masters of espionage and subterfuge. They know how to rot an enemy force from the inside, if given the time. Overall, until there is divine intervention, it's going to be largely a stalemate.

As for your question, the nations of men, no matter what, are going to ally with each other against the Thalmor, even if they despise each other's guts. History has shown this numerous of times that when it comes down to it, man will fight against mer. So, I'd very much expect Hammerfell, Skyrim, High Rock, and Cyrodiil to form an alliance, even if it's uneasy, in order to take it to the Thalmor. And if parts are played well, the human nations can probably get enough bosmer rebel support to help against Valenwood (shouldn't be that hard, with all the purges going on) and maybe take advantage of the divided Elswyr.

It's not the Empire that needs to svck in their pride, they aren't happy about the Talos ban either.


Dragonborn isn't going to be in the war, they'll find a way to make sure the dragonborn somehow disappears

Hey I never thought about that... Say you're right and Ulfric was the rightful high king because of his duel.
Doesn't that make me the new high king for blasting him practically through a wall with a 'proper' shout or is it only Jarls that can do that? Meh, I'm not really fussed the shiny Emperor throne on top of that ship suits me better anyway. lol

Okay, okay, okay, okay, we get it Empire supporters, you unabashedly loathe Ulfric and the Stormcloaks to the point where it seems Ulfric personally drowned your puppy/kitten/whatever. Take it to another thread, as this isn't another CW thread to hijack.

Just assume for a moment your empire lost. What next? If this very though offends you, you don't need to be here.

He knew he wouldn't win and yet he fought Ulfric,Is that cowardly?


The empire died with Martin,I just don't like Ulfric.

The only way to defeat thee Thalmor, is for the Nords to return to their ancient Nordic traditions. This means they must set aside their false God Talos, and embrace Alduin - son of Akatosh as their chief God. With Alduin's blessing, the Priesthood will restore order and traditions to the Nords, and prep them for war.


Until then, under misguided savages who claim to know the old ways, Skyrim will fall.



Embrace Alduin, your savior.

Forget Alduin, Hail Sithis!

Nope in fact it was brave, he was going up against a more experienced opponent to protect his throne and place of power.



Worshiping Sithis is like worshiping gravity.

He got hungry and then beaten and is now back in the Aka oversoul,So no coming back for him until Aka says so.

LOL!

Nice idea but, I already smashed big A's face in?
If I 'do' let him come back, will he promise to be a good little dragon?
If not he'll be going on the naughty step again...

Well, the Septim Empire did. I was referring more to the Mede Empire, which did have to reunite Tamriel and even itself.

And Hevnoraak, you're right, the nords do need to go back to the old ways and stop this Talos love. But your pathetic cult is deader than dead, and the true ruler of man shall rise again. Bring the power back to all mighty Shor! The true god of mankind! He who has always freed man from the oppressive grip of the mer.

The Mede empire svcked.