When you become Champion of Cyrodiil in the Order of the Dragon at the end of Oblivion's MQ, Ocato mentions that this rare honour has only been dished out 6 times before; is there any lore on who the previous Champions were?

No, there's not.

There have been speculations on who they were, but nothing definative has ever been given to us.

Hmm, no wonder I came up so light when scouring TIL. It doesn't exactly bode well for our Champions future reputation when no-one remembers who the previous 6 were, I have to say...

Who is speculated to be among their ranks?

The player character from every previous TESgame plus Battlspire and Dawnstar.

Maybe Gaidan Shinjii(Spelling?). They practically worship him down in the arena. He also came up with a nifty quote, all qualifications for being a champion of the Empire.

PS: Now that I think about it why is the player character only called the champion of Cyrodill? Defeating a Daedra Prince intent on making the entire Nirn into his own realm, warrants a better name, like Saivor of Nirn or something along those lines.

You know, Gaiden Shinji's quote, "The best techniques are only passed on by the survivors." is extremely mediocre for being so famous. They state he was famous for that quote, but its just something any military commander or warrior could conjure up in his head.

And to answer your question, we can be all boring about things and say it is so we can identify him amongst all the other PCs in TES games, or we could say something like...

"In a time when the Empire is at its most vulnerable, they snatch up every hero they can use to support there cause and make the empire appear more glorious, giving the Hero of Kvatch the title of Champion of Cyrodiil only gives the Empire a face that the people would respect."

Although I agree, I don't think Gaiden Shinji was famous for that quote. I think it's more likely the quote was famous because of Gaiden Shinji.

On a related note, I'd think people like Gaiden Shinji, the hero from Daggerfall and the Nerevarine aren't Champions of Cyrodiil. The reason being that their actions had very little to do with saving Cyrodiil (excepting the Nerevarine, who did so indirectly).

That, and the Hero of Daggerfall wasn't supposed to be a very public figure. If I remember correctly, it was supposed to be a very secret, hush-hush kind of operation. I can imagine that went the whole operation fell apart (in the form of the Warp in the West), the Empire very well could have denied having any part in it.

The Hero of Battlespire likewise wouldn't be a very likely candidate, I think. I mean, he didn't save the Battlespire for one, and even if he did I doubt that'd be something the Empire would let leak out to the public. Another hush-hush type of deal.

And nobody better say Cyrus was one of the Champions, either, because that would be wrong on so many levels it's not even funny.

Oh we know that Shinji was famous for leading the Order of Diagna and at the 30 year Siege of Orsinium, but the Oweyn in the Arena from Oblivion says he was famous for the quote, but I can't say I'm completely sure that its what he said. Have not played Oblivion in over a year.

As for the Eternal Champion, I can see him being awarded the Champion of Cyrodiil title as an honor after years of Service to the Empire, with a nice large villa, and an even larger pot belly.

What about the Eternal Champion, the player-character who rescued Emperor Uriel in Arena?

Probably the most likely of the PC's. He did uncover a conspiracy and rescue an Emperor, afterall.

never played Daggerfall, but i doubt the PC is the hero in that. besides it takes place in DAGGERFALL, so why would you be the Champion of Cyrodil in there when you hardly even help Cyrodil? (assuming you dont help the Blades, but even that wouldnt even really get you champion status)

How is the PC not the hero of the game he is in?

The Eternal Champion is one of the most likely PCs to be named Champion of Cyrodiil because he aided Uriel Septim, and was awarded with servitude to the Empire for many years to come. Its very likely that Champion of Cyrodil is just the title given to one who has aided the Empire greatly, Cyrodiil being the heart of the Empire and all. Much like knight hood is given to exemplary citizens of the United Kingdom. The person themself become a Symbol because of their heroism, and the Empire wants to use all those positive symbols to create a more positive image for itself.

So the title Champion of Cyrodiil really means, Champion of the Empire. Cyrodiil IS the Empire.

Unless of course they had titles for every province, but so far nothing like that has been mentioned.

Is it possible that we are getting "Champion of Cyrodill" and the "Highest whatever of the Order of the Dragon" Confused as being one thing when they are two seperate things? You are awarded "Highest whatever of the Order of the Dragon". Its only been awarded 6 times. You are called the "Champion of Cyrodill" The arena hero was "The Eternal Champion". The order of the dragon rank is the same. Your individual title is unique. So what we are looking for is 4-5 other Order of the Dragon whatevers.

Not at my game machine at the moment so cant check the verbage.

FYI The Hero of Daggerfall and the Hero of Arena are noted to be different people (Lore wise). I see no lore reason that the Hero of Battlespire and Daggerfall have to be different (Frankly I dont see why Arena and Daggerfall have to be different, Im sure someone could come up with a reason and it needs to be more then that BS Arena PC born, Daggerfall PC Born on the timeline).

Not to mention his name is going to be stricken from history for his involvement in the Thieves Guild. Perhaps thats what happened to the previous champions heh.

Id say Morihaus or Pelinal Whitestrake could be good candidates, no? <- ignore. I just realized those two died long before Reman Wars started.

Why did you revive this thread when there is allready one just like it on the front page? :banghead:

edit: Oh, it was a link in the other to this one. Apologies.

I tought that the Count of Anvil partialy removed the curse (so that you don't exist only while wearing the mask). Nobody forgot my character like they did the former Gray Foxes.

And it's not even certain that the CoC even were in the TG.

I seem to remember that the bottomline position on the Nerevarine, Dagoth Ur and the Blight was that if Dagoth-Ur did defeat the Tribunal and conquer Morrwind, he would create an unstoppable army using the Blight and so the Blight would sweep over the rest of Tamriel plunging it and likely the other continents also into darkness forever.

Against that we have the low-key way in which the Nerevarine was introduced into Morrowind ...

I think I agree that the Nerevarine was not one of these so-callled Champions in the Imperial mind - but not because he did not earn it.

Likewise with the chamiopn of the Spire - last of the Imperial Battle Mages (or was it the other kind of mage you became if you succeeded?) the invasion of the Battlespire was not merely about depriving The Empire of a training school and embarassing it. What was intended was to create a secret beach-head in preparation for a far more extensive invasion - maybe the opening of the Gates was delayed while the Tribunal and Dagoth Ur dealt with each other - otherwise the Battlespire might have acted as Dagon's HQ.

Btw - one suspects that the murder of the sleeping Dragons in the Battlespire was the reason Akatosh was so keen to smack the (censored) outta Dagon when he arrived in person - otherwise the Hero of Kvatch might have become the bloody smear on the pavement.

Could it be that the other 'Champions of the Empire' have been either Arena Winners, leaders of Imperial Armies or Emperors?

I don't think a "Champion of Cyrodiil" neccesarily have to be a fighter or a military type. We don't really know anything about the title, anyway.

Perhaps the Nerevarine could have been a "Champion of Cyrodiil" of some sort, thought not with that title. The Nerevarine can become a Knight of the Imperial Dragon, and the name might have shortened from "Order of the Imperial Dragon" to "Order of the Dragon", the same order that you join once you become the Champion of Cyrodiil.

Based on how the "Knight of the Imperial Dragon" is a member of the Imperial Legion, or rather the commander of the Imperial Legion (in his area, I suppose), I don't think they are the same thing.

I'm game - tell me what else he/she could be? What other category do you have in a comparatively primitive civilised Empire that uses hand-to-hand fighting techniques as standard and the backbone of their armies?

Black

Eh, I think he's saying more along the lines of a Warrior-type character.

Could be wrong.