Right! SIC :/

Wait, you cannot find any random necklace with the mod so you cannot do it either because of that

You can find some Imperial bracers with the effect though, but only small amounts.

Destro scales in one area only, and that is the +50% damage perk.
Melee/archers scale with their +100% damage perk, AND they scale from 1-100 skill level as well.

Even without enchanting/smithing/alchemy they scale better than magic.

With those skills, melee and archery can get +160% damage from enchanting and +roughly 50% of their weapon's damage from smithing.

So, both before and after those crafting trees are applied, melee and archery scale better than destruction.

Summoning is useless at high levels on master difficulty. Destruction is by far the easier way to kill things.

Tell that to reality. My summons and dead are scaled. My destruction spells are not. Destro at higher levels=spam fest. Summons/raised dead=take out the enemies fast. My comment still stands. and that's a level 58 pure mage on Master. although ridiculous destro scaling made me put it on expert in the end.

Keeping up that -80% physical damage spell all the time isn't feasible, unless you include the -100% enchants. And even then, that is an absolutely ridiculous requirement to survive. How exactly are you doing that without a -100% cost set hmm? If you're using some other way please enlighten me.

You forgot to say melee/archers also get +dmg bonuses from items with enchantments, while mages get only -spell cost. And weapons can have +dmg enchantments too. And weapons can be improved too.

Just to look at something here:

One handed vs Destruction, you have no gear but your sword or spell and you are trying to kill a static, defenseless target with a lot of health and have 100 in each skill and have the perks saved up.

One handed, lets say it takes 20 hits to kill it. You are attacking the whole time with power attacks thrown in for good measure. You can throw five perks into armsman to make it take half the time, and put some into other perks to allow you to make more power attacks

Destruction, lets say it also takes 20 hits to kill it. You cannot attack the whole time as you run out of magicka, but have no potions. You wait for it to recharge. You throw your perks and get up to +50% for only that school of magic. You still run out of magic. It's still not dead.

The issue here is what has been said before: damage doesn't scale. The perks like augmented flames are filling the same role as a hack and slash perk which gives you an entirely new bonus. You cannot cast a spell when out of magic and to even remain viable you need to use higher level spells which drain you even faster. There is no argument. Destruction needs to be over hauled and examined because it is a damage dealing skill and not a utility. Its not that we want to be able to spam master spells, but be able to kill something with out draining our entire reserve of magic (as a warrior you can do this to stamina because you don't need stamina to attack).

The fact that there is a broken game mechanic that allows free destruction casting doesn't mean that destruction isn't broken. What it means is that destruction is that broken that you need to use exploits to be able to utilize it effectively. Imagine it as if I said that you get this awesome sword, but until you get 100 in smithing it only does 10 damage and its your only weapon and you can't put any perks into it.

I don't want to be antagonistic, but put simply pure mages are supposed to be glass cannons and as it stands, they are just glass popguns.

And it only requires a 30s buff that is a Master Alteration spell. Learn to not be an ass and to reply with common sense. It's VERY clear that you have zero experience playing either as a high level caster or a high level physical class. You obviously have not played both, because no sane person would keep using the same asinine rebuttals.

That goes for everyone that has the "Destruction r fine, L2p" stupidity.

I don't think many, if any of the defenders of destruction have played with any high level characters, much less a high level pure mage.

Why on earth would you need it up all the time?

Oh that's right. There are people in this thread who forget the game has movement keys that allow you to evade attacks. :rolleyes:

Either you keep it up or risk getting oneshotted in case you DO get hit? Just like that book I read in the game, about Tsaesci and Imperial fighting. "You Tsaescis have showy moves, but if one of our attacks get in, you're done"

Oh how could I forget that? :facepalm: So how does that disprove my point exactly? Mages have a harder time mitigating damage and do less damage. Melee can sit at the mitigation cap and tank the damage while dishing out high damage of their own. Soooo....balance right?

It takes me 13 dual casts of the Expert lightning spell to kill one arch necromancer (in Master difficulty) That puts their HP pool to around 2500. With the perk and 50% reduction to destruction costs, I can cast two of those spells before I'm out of magicka in a 50% HP/MP build.

And you want the destruction character to only need 1 skill tree, destruction? Those melee have their weapon skill and armor skill. What exactly is wrong with a destruction mage needing a second skill tree to get good defense? Your idea of balance is severely unbalanced.

My mage is 56, playing on master the entire time. My sword and board melee is 47, playing on master the entire time. Leave your imagination about what other people are doing at home.

Just use the other magic skills to compliment destruction. It's not like warrior can only use one handed and survive. Thief can't use only sneak and survive.

Haven't you read anything we've posted so far? Destruction mages problem is NOT a lack of defense. It's the fact you need 90% reduction destruction costs or even more to have enough magicka to kill the strongest targets, and that is IF the target stands there doing nothing and he's alone. Spending more of your magicka by casting another school master spells will for sure not help at all.

No, no you don't get it. They want a badly built 1 dimensional glass cannon to be able to stand still in front of any mob on master difficulty to do just as well as any well built character. That's their idiotic definition of balance.

I haven't seen one person want that. We want our glass cannon to take massive damage if hit. We also want out glass cannon to do massive damage, like the class, series, and genre in general have always been able to do.

It's only a problem if YOU STAND THERE DOING NOTHING but spam a destruction spell.

1 dimensional stupidity should never be balanced.

Magic characters should need more than 1 tree, but that doesn't mean their only damage dealing tree should be gimped.

Melee do have weapon and armor skills, but they can get by with only putting points into their damage tree. This is because their damage dealing trees (1hand, 2hand, or archery) actually deal damage, lots of it. Everything else is just gravy on top and makes them even better.

The only thing I have to cast 10+ times on is a dragon. Most enemies die in 3-4 DC thunderbolts. Which is pretty similar to your 4 melee attacks no?


Mages aren't supposed to use armor? Why the hell not? There is absolutely nothing stopping you, in fact game mechanics encourage you to wear armor. The only thing stopping you from wearing armor and casting is yourself. The idea of a cloth wearing pure mage only exists in your head.

I wasn't aware that kitting, evading and casting non destruction spells would restore my magicka reserve :shakehead:

From my point, they simply want that a mage with destruction + whatever defensive mechanism s/he can get can defeat an enemy in the same time with a melee/archer + whatever defensive mechanism they can get

As I understand right now, destruction mages do less time casting destruction magic and more time casting anything that is not destruction in order to kill a monster, even as far as relying on enchanting / alchemy to actually keep doing damage (instead of lollygagging until the magicka regenerates)

Because other spells don't cost magicka either right? Oh wait they do.



This. So much this.

spells didn't really scale in oblivion either until you discovered the weakness to magic/elements exploit. but now thats a one-2 charge potions? give me a break I'll quaff a marksman potion and 1 shot pretty much anything without even using exploited crafting.