Werewolf - wolf + shark = Wereshark
Werewolf - wolf + bear = Werebear
Werewolf - wolf + boar = Wereboar

That is all.

Personally, i would love to be able to become a lich. but there should be a necromancer's guild. and it should be a long questline. like the ob mq type long.

yeah that would be cool, they should make a necromancers guild and once you advance in rank you discover their sinister plan to resurrect mannimarco, then once you have become his most loyal right hand man he bestows upon you the path to lichdom, something like that, and have him grant you powerful spells, like the mod for oblivion PC version Mannimarco's Resurrection, for those who havent seen it someone modded it so their was a necromancers guild and a very long questline longer then the mages guild and more sinister, assassinations, treachery, stealing and much more, their was no audio dialogue but everything else made up for it, these cool spells and items, not to mention i went into the construction set and changed a few things around so i could wear this unique robe and hood that was on these enemies called revenants in this new cave their robe resembles that of the sith lord from star wars and that on my skeletal lich was almost the perfect look, only thing missing is a pauldron or two but hopefully we will see that feature in the new game. well anyway if they do decide to resurrect mannimarco they really have to make him a challenge this time, i was so disappointed with him on oblivion, it was just a regular ass fight. they should make him like one of my favorite mods ''Mannimarco Revisited'' that was a very challenging battle and completely different than regular battles. the mechanics of the fight made it feel like WOW this is it the last boss an actual challenge having him send his minions after you before attacking you it was cool because you had to like fight through waves of guys and his champions before he would engage you so you even had a chance of inflicting damage to him, so props to whoever created that mod.

oh and also for all the critics against the evil overlord lich character they should create a counter opposite of the lich like a divine crusader hero like the DLC for oblivion but with actual real divine power, they should provide a choice, join the necromancers and become the lich lord that destroys the divine crusader, or join the divine crusaders and become the hero that destroys the lich lord, so theres real plot changing choices like morrowind. i think that would be an awesome feature to the game.

Becoming a lich in the game, really doesn't interest me :shrug:

... I don't want it in the game if you have to be typecast as a evil scum bag. Why does a lich have to be bad? Just someone who felt like not dying, that makes him evil?

well ok maybe you can be a happy lich? well i guess it could work just become a hermit living in a cave doing research for eternity, and not killing people you could be nice maybe, but after a few hundred years i wonder if you would just go crazy and start murdering everyone around you because you forgot what it is to be human, so eventually overtime being a lich is actually a curse, unless you could some how keep your sanity. oh and if you become so powerful to the point where you could kill and convert someone where they stand in the blink of an eye, i dont think anybodys gonna label you a scumbag, i know i wouldnt.

Come on youse guys, liches need love too.

He's not such a bad little lich...all he needed was a little love (Charlie Brown'd)

Because becoming a lich requires you to ritually murder innocent people.

"The Path of Transcendence"
Entry 5: Through the sacrifice of many innocents, the resurrection of many servants to aid me in my tasks, and the tireless performance of a nearly week-long ritual, I have completed construction of the Sands Of Resolve.

oh and didnt you realise that a lich is a perversion of nature, its about the most unspeakably evil thing you could do, you are willingly sacrificing your life to swap for an undead one if that isnt evil i dont know what is, if you just dont want to die get bitten by a vamp or lycan to be immortal, or better yet travel to morrowind and contract corprus, well without the cure youd be pretty [censored] anyway:)

Divayth Fyr was a very old, very powerful sorcerer in Morrowind. He lived in his tower working on his particular area of study. He didn't go nuts and burn people alive simply because he could. He just continued to learn. When he mastered one field of study, he moved on to the next. Why was he accumulating all this knowledge, to conquer the world? No just to learn the secrets of the world. Why can't a lich work in a tower, further his knowledge. Who's to say you can't have colleges? Other mages sharing similar goals.


That's how the King of Worms became a lich, doesn't mean it's the only path.

yeah i remember him, he was pretty cool, oh yeah and i jacked him up for his ''cuiress of the saviours hide'' lol, but yeah i think unless you were truly evil becoming a lich is not in your best interests for immortality, if you want to be good, choose a different path, just the path to become a lich is evil, the things you have to do, then what you become is an abombination, a mockery and an affront to all life, surely you see that a lich is negative way of becoming an immortal, well i think we should find Divath Fyr and ask him whats his secret : )

Well technically, that's how a particular necromancer in Oblivion was planning on becoming a Lich, but he claims in his journal to have received the methodology by praying to the god of worms, which causes the shade of the revenant. Being what's left of Mannimarco's attempts at divinity, it's quite possible it gave the necromancer the same method Mannimarco used, and quite likely actually, but it can't be said for certain that Mannimarco used the same technique written about in that journal.

@lich freak, Divyath Fyr isn't immortal, he's just "spread his life thin," if you will.

How is anyone form of immortality worse than another? Aside from being a god that is.

Inherently I mean. Lich is no more a mockery/affront to life than vampire. Both are undead and will live forever. If anything Vampire is worse because they HAVE to prey on the living.

true i guess,but vampires have stature, they were created by Molag Bal a god, liches however are not.

Do you remember how they were created? Keep that in mind and keep in mind that a single one would have to kill an infinite number of people to keep on living.

A lich wouldn't have to kill anyone once it turned, even if it had to kill 400 people that pales in comparison to well, infinity

Lich no longer require a physical form (nether). Meaning if their physical form is ever destroyed they can just grab a new corpse. It would be my ideal form of immortality as I have transcended physical form. Plus, I have years to figure out how I can keep bodies from decaying. if you still want to be social with people, just grab a fresh corpse (people die all the time). And no, I don't see that as dark or evil, just grey.

Lichdom>Vampirism.

I wouldn't be caught dead as a vamp.

Blood svcking immortal who is killed by sunlight? Hmm. nah.
Transforming nightly into savage uncontrollable beast? nah.
Immortal undead wizard? i might sign up.

A Vampire is a parasite, but he doesn't have kill his prey. Unlike a normal human who enjoys eating steak.

If becoming a lich requires you to harvest human souls, then it's evil. If it can be achieved with the souls from of other creatures, then it's no more evil than any other living thing.
It all depends on how you define evil. Is uploading an emulation of your brain into a cyborg body (or golem) evil? Extending your lifespan through advanced medical technology is essentially the same idea.

i see your point, yeah being a vamp would svck.....heh get it.

We have no certain information about what the Nether Liches actually are. We know they have a ghostly appearance, and we know that Oblivion puts them in a different faction than regular liches, specifically nether liches are in regular undead wheras normal liches are in the lich faction. Destroying the physical form of the Lich does kill 'em for good in most cases.

edit1: we also know that nether liches in-game are weaker than their lich counterparts.

like the Aundae clan from morrowind, feeding on animals they chose to coexist with the world. rather than giving in to their instincts, and becoming true monsters.

yeah just what the hell are they and where do they come from, hmmmm they wouldnt be a traditional lich, maybe there a lichs ghost, if thats even possible, i guess it could work?

My two personal theories:

1.Their liches that had their bodies very heavily damaged, and managed to survive more as a ghost than a walking corpse through uncertain methods. This came at a cost in terms of power and possibly intelligence. (If this is the case, I wonder if their souls are more vulnerable to being recycled by the dreamsleeve?)

2. Their an undead creature created by a Lich from ordinary mages. Most of the power of a lich, but completely obedient.

i like theory 1. i wonder if they could be like a ghostly doppelganger.