The priorities of Bandits, Orcs, and any other aggressive ra : V

» Sat Dec 03, 2011 7:15 am

Hello everyone,

First of all, I'm new to these Forums and I hope I put this in the right Forum section. I apologize if not, and please redirect me to the place where I should let people know about my thoughts.

It has come to my notice that the hostile residents of Skyrim need some adjustment when it comes to estimating danger.

Let's say you're a bandit, or even a wolf (with some brains), what would you do when you see this scenario happening in front of you:

>A traveler passes, he is just walking on the road, minding his own business, not interested in a fight. (Of course, without a dragon you would try to rip him apart, which probably will turn out badly for yourself)
>You decide, as written above, to rob/kill the traveler, when suddenly you hear a loud growl. What was that? And as you think that to yourself, the worst nightmare of any inhabitant of Skyrim comes true; a Dragon flies over your heads, leaving a trail of fire and carnage.

[This would be the current state of affairs in Skyrim]

>Continue attacking the traveler, who tries, with all his force, to lure the Dragon away or slay it. He is only saving your life (indirectly of course, and he will probably slay you after he absorbs the Dragon's soul).

This obviously hinders me, and I'm sure many other people as well. If you're trying to slay a Dragon, you're not expecting to have a bandit, a human being with a brain (I know it's a computer game, but it's just that realistic), to attack you, instead of the Dragon. I mean, the Dragon should be his main priority.

[How I would like it to be, and I hope many people support me on this]

>The Bandit/Wolf postpones the poor attempt to kill you, and turns against the Dragon, who will probably burn him, but you can't say he didn't try.

This would be such an improvement to the game, because it would make it even more realistic. If this is impossible to program, then make the bandits/animals flee. No wolf in their right mind would take a chance against a fearsome dragon.

» Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:35 am

Hello everyone,

First of all, I'm new to these Forums and I hope I put this in the right Forum section. I apologize if not, and please redirect me to the place where I should let people know about my thoughts.

It has come to my notice that the hostile residents of Skyrim need some adjustment when it comes to estimating danger.

Let's say you're a bandit, or even a wolf (with some brains), what would you do when you see this scenario happening in front of you:

>A traveler passes, he is just walking on the road, minding his own business, not interested in a fight. (Of course, without a dragon you would try to rip him apart, which probably will turn out badly for yourself)
>You decide, as written above, to rob/kill the traveler, when suddenly you hear a loud growl. What was that? And as you think that to yourself, the worst nightmare of any inhabitant of Skyrim comes true; a Dragon flies over your heads, leaving a trail of fire and carnage.

[This would be the current state of affairs in Skyrim]

>Continue attacking the traveler, who tries, with all his force, to lure the Dragon away or slay it. He is only saving your life (indirectly of course, and he will probably slay you after he absorbs the Dragon's soul).

This obviously hinders me, and I'm sure many other people as well. If you're trying to slay a Dragon, you're not expecting to have a bandit, a human being with a brain (I know it's a computer game, but it's just that realistic), to attack you, instead of the Dragon. I mean, the Dragon should be his main priority.

[How I would like it to be, and I hope many people support me on this]

>The Bandit/Wolf postpones the poor attempt to kill you, and turns against the Dragon, who will probably burn him, but you can't say he didn't try.

This would be such an improvement to the game, because it would make it even more realistic. If this is impossible to program, then make the bandits/animals flee. No wolf in their right mind would take a chance against a fearsome dragon.

Maybe the wolf is smarter than you're giving him credit for. You're being attacked by the dragon, not him.

Maybe he just figures he can rip a juicy peice of adventurer leg off and book it before the dragon notices.

I think you're overthinking this =P

» Sat Dec 03, 2011 5:16 pm

Maybe the wolf is smarter than you're giving him credit for. You're being attacked by the dragon, not him.

Maybe he just figures he can rip a juicy peice of adventurer leg off and book it before the dragon notices.

I think you're overthinking this =P

I might be overthinking this, but it would improve the gameplay so much if you wouldn't have to worry about aggressive creatures being after you while you're trying to slay the Dragon. You would be able to focus on just one thing, instead of 5, with such a big and dangerous creature as a Dragon.

And maybe the wolf ís smarter, but then again, he gets burned by the Dragon if he comes near me... So he is putting himself at risk with whatever choice he makes.

» Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:08 pm

I 100% agree.

» Sat Dec 03, 2011 5:47 pm

A dragon attacked while I was looting an estate. The guards that were initially launching arrows at me attacked the dragon and also myself if got within their range. They actually killed it as I got trapped in some water. I still got the soul and loot tho.

» Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:59 pm

Are orcs aggressive to the other races? I play an orc so i don't know and i can walk around and talk to them in their strongholds. :X

» Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:13 pm

If your a bandit or wolf beset by or besetting a badass clad in armor or toting spells, when all of a sudden a dragon swoops down. Wouldnt you rather go '[censored] this!' and run than join the guy/girl you were battling as a comrade in arms. Of course some animals and bandits would join you but not all.

» Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:58 am

A dragon attacked while I was looting an estate. The guards that were initially launching arrows at me attacked the dragon and also myself if got within their range. They actually killed it as I got trapped in some water. I still got the soul and loot tho.

But guards aren't aggressive creatures, unless you commit a crime. You probably did something against Skyrim and her people which triggered the guards to assault you. If you are just passing by the guards would only greet you, and once the Dragon shows up they would help you defeat it.

Are orcs aggressive to the other races? I play an orc so i don't know and i can walk around and talk to them in their strongholds. :X

Judging my the Orc arrows in my shoulder while passing their hideout; I think so. :blush:

If your a bandit or wolf beset by or besetting a badass clad in armor or toting spells, when all of a sudden a dragon swoops down. Wouldnt you rather go '[censored] this!' and run than join the guy/girl you were battling as a comrade in arms. Of course some animals and bandits would join you but not all.

But it's illogical to keep attacking a person that doesn't focus his attention/attacks towards you. And the Dragon attacks everyone, including you (being the aggressive creature). Therefore you are directly affected by the Dragon, and no one would continue attacking someone, dropping their guard against a way bigger and more monstrous creature.

» Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:56 pm

It would make more sense if they ran away. I know I would (if I were a wee wolf or a bandit - not a dovahkiin).
#It's not always like this, I've had a giant help me slay a Dragon, then proceed attack me (and one shot me to the heavens, but let's not get into Giants being more difficult to kill than Dragons...)

» Sat Dec 03, 2011 1:48 pm

Hello everyone,

First of all, I'm new to these Forums and I hope I put this in the right Forum section. I apologize if not, and please redirect me to the place where I should let people know about my thoughts.

It has come to my notice that the hostile residents of Skyrim need some adjustment when it comes to estimating danger.

Let's say you're a bandit, or even a wolf (with some brains), what would you do when you see this scenario happening in front of you:

>A traveler passes, he is just walking on the road, minding his own business, not interested in a fight. (Of course, without a dragon you would try to rip him apart, which probably will turn out badly for yourself)
>You decide, as written above, to rob/kill the traveler, when suddenly you hear a loud growl. What was that? And as you think that to yourself, the worst nightmare of any inhabitant of Skyrim comes true; a Dragon flies over your heads, leaving a trail of fire and carnage.

[This would be the current state of affairs in Skyrim]

>Continue attacking the traveler, who tries, with all his force, to lure the Dragon away or slay it. He is only saving your life (indirectly of course, and he will probably slay you after he absorbs the Dragon's soul).

This obviously hinders me, and I'm sure many other people as well. If you're trying to slay a Dragon, you're not expecting to have a bandit, a human being with a brain (I know it's a computer game, but it's just that realistic), to attack you, instead of the Dragon. I mean, the Dragon should be his main priority.

[How I would like it to be, and I hope many people support me on this]

>The Bandit/Wolf postpones the poor attempt to kill you, and turns against the Dragon, who will probably burn him, but you can't say he didn't try.

This would be such an improvement to the game, because it would make it even more realistic. If this is impossible to program, then make the bandits/animals flee. No wolf in their right mind would take a chance against a fearsome dragon.

I had multiple occurrences where some enemies joined forces with me to kill the dragon and didn’t turn on me unless I got too close.

» Sat Dec 03, 2011 8:18 am

I had multiple occurrences where some enemies joined forces with me to kill the dragon and didn’t turn on me unless I got too close.

I hope this will happen to me soon as well, because it's starting to get annoying to get killed by a Bear after I absorb the Dragon Soul.

» Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:14 am

It would make more sense if they ran away. I know I would (if I were a wee wolf or a bandit - not a dovahkiin).
#It's not always like this, I've had a giant help me slay a Dragon, then proceed attack me (and one shot me to the heavens, but let's not get into Giants being more difficult to kill than Dragons...)

This happened to me, although I f*cked that giant up... After multiple reloads. :rolleyes:

» Sat Dec 03, 2011 10:10 am

But guards aren't aggressive creatures, unless you commit a crime. You probably did something against Skyrim and her people which triggered the guards to assault you. If you are just passing by the guards would only greet you, and once the Dragon shows up they would help you defeat it.

No they were mercenary guards. Not enforcing the law just protecting their employers safe and bee hives.

» Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:18 am

i had a mudcrab save my life once. it stole my dragon kill outside whiterun..

» Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:10 pm

I stumbled upon a Blood Dragon when I was like level 15 on expert diffuculty. I look at my surroundings and I see a giant camp nearby. I run toward the giants and get them chasing me. Then the dragon lands inbetween us. I was on one side and the other two giants kept on pounding the other side of the dragon. About 30 seconds later, I had a dead dragon and giants waving their clubs at me. Sooo maybe its just the type of enemy?

» Sat Dec 03, 2011 5:34 pm

I agree; giants are the worst for this. On two separate occasions I have stumbled onto a giant's camp, with a dragon in the process of attacking, probably because they love delicious roast mammoth. On each occasion, I valiantly intervened, and slew the dragon, thus saving all of their miserable lives. And as I'm standing there, my health just a speck of red, breathing hard and waiting for the soul to come, a stupid giant one-shot-kills me and sends me flying. I just saved your life, and was making no threatening moves towards you or the mammoths! Giants.

» Sat Dec 03, 2011 8:07 am

They really should fix this! I cannot believe how somebody could defend this kind of mistage. It happened me twice. First time was with the dragon related to main quest. We fought the dragon until three bandits came and attacked us. There was this "chief" bandit who could kill me with one two blows, it was very annoying. I runned far as i could so bandits started to fight with guards and i fight against the dragon who fought with the group fighting each other :/.

Second time was random encounter. I was with my companion and dragon showed up. Fight began! Suddenly some brotherhood of steel member rushed in and tries to kill me and my companion, he didn't care about the dragon :/. There really should be some priority-number with each NPC. Very easy to make. Hope mods will fix this soon enough

» Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:59 pm

Are orcs aggressive to the other races? I play an orc so i don't know and i can walk around and talk to them in their strongholds. :X

orcs are normal dudes. they arent LOTR orcs who are demonspawn and hate everything.

» Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:59 am

I had multiple occurrences where some enemies joined forces with me to kill the dragon and didn’t turn on me unless I got too close.

I've had this happen before too. In fact during one dragon battle I had bandits, bears, and myself put aside our differences and all teamed up against the dragon. It was awesome. The dragon didn't last long at all.

» Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:15 am

This happened to me, although I f*cked that giant up... After multiple reloads. :rolleyes:

No they were mercenary guards. Not enforcing the law just protecting their employers safe and bee hives.

i had a mudcrab save my life once. it stole my dragon kill outside whiterun..

I think it's different when you're not close to a aggressive NPC; if you are, for example, on top of a rock ranging a dragon, it's understandable that a mud crab on the other side of the rock attacks a Dragon (although this does not happen in all cases. My point was the fact that when I try to melee a dragon, everyone just jumps me, or that when I walk around ranging it, trying to avoid it's fire, I randomly get a hit in the back by some guy that turned up out of nowhere. Or heck, even when I'm already fighting, if I'm near someone and a Dragon comes, they shouldn't continue focusing on me... But I think I'm repeating myself now.

I agree; giants are the worst for this. On two separate occasions I have stumbled onto a giant's camp, with a dragon in the process of attacking, probably because they love delicious roast mammoth. On each occasion, I valiantly intervened, and slew the dragon, thus saving all of their miserable lives. And as I'm standing there, my health just a speck of red, breathing hard and waiting for the soul to come, a stupid giant one-shot-kills me and sends me flying. I just saved your life, and was making no threatening moves towards you or the mammoths! Giants.

They really should fix this! I cannot believe how somebody could defend this kind of mistage. It happened me twice. First time was with the dragon related to main quest. We fought the dragon until three bandits came and attacked us. There was this "chief" bandit who could kill me with one two blows, it was very annoying. I runned far as i could so bandits started to fight with guards and i fight against the dragon who fought with the group fighting each other :/.

Second time was random encounter. I was with my companion and dragon showed up. Fight began! Suddenly some brotherhood of steel member rushed in and tries to kill me and my companion, he didn't care about the dragon :/. There really should be some priority-number with each NPC. Very easy to make. Hope mods will fix this soon enough

Exactly my point.

I'm glad you guys agree.

orcs are normal dudes. they arent LOTR orcs who are demonspawn and hate everything.

Are you sure? I got assaulted out of nowhere when I was just passing through their camp...

I've had this happen before too. In fact during one dragon battle I had bandits, bears, and myself put aside our differences and all teamed up against the dragon. It was awesome. The dragon didn't last long at all.

That's how it should be! I have no idea why that isn't the default meganism.

» Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:17 pm

I think the most logical (and simplest) result would just be to have pretty much anything but the player and perhaps local guards to immediately flee at the sight of a dragon.

» Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:45 am

I think the most logical (and simplest) result would just be to have pretty much anything but the player and perhaps local guards to immediately flee at the sight of a dragon.

It would be, but being a new playing (Level 1-20?) it would be quite difficult to slay the Dragon without the help of anyone around you.

I'm only level 17, and on 3 occasions I have encountered a Dragon out in the wilderness, I had to run to safety because I was completely getting owned...

» Sat Dec 03, 2011 5:40 am

Bump

» Sat Dec 03, 2011 12:12 pm

I have the opposite problem. Most every dragon encounter I've had the dragon seems more preoccupied with kill every horse, elk, and mudcrab in sight while flying in a wide circle around the player character rather than fighting me. It's frustrating to chase after them like a loose dog just to try and get it's attention.

» Sat Dec 03, 2011 7:13 am

A valid point, but I often experince that my enemies help me fight the dragon so it might be random(?) or something. I am surprised about the fact that they don't hide and cover in fear until it's over and then begs me too not kill them.