Sorry, guys, I did not mean the Glow, but Necropolis that did not have vault doors closing all the way.

Just read them, could be possible, but I have my doubts on it.

I really am curious where the cryogenic freezing theory came from. Was it part of the "leaked ex-Bethesda employee" thing? Otherwise, who thought of it, and what made it seem better than any other theory? Boston being the location, I would suspect the intro would have more to do with androids, rather than context-less cryogenic freezing that goes against the technology already present in the FO universe.

I wouldn't mind that. One problem I have though is that Bethesda's idea of the pre-war society seems to focus on the sugary over saturated 50's style suburbs.

Am I the only one who would like to see what life was like, say, here? http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/2/28/Vault-Tec_Industries.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120613110545

Even then the population is confined by the lack of an ability to go elsewhere so you have a static test population.

I totally went with the brain thing... until your brain starts arguing with you.. and you have a receiver in your head to function through said brain.. so basically your brain was arguing with itself.

Yeah sorry Obsidian my character doesn't have multiple personality disorder.

I'm not sure I see the issue here. Vaults have been used as places to test experimental technology since the Fallout Bible written by Chris Avellone. House, the Think Tank, and Desmond would probably not have known about, or had access to any cryogenic technology in this case. Unless Bethesda for some strange reason decided to make House or Big MT the origin of the technology, I wouldn't see a problem.

But it is not to see how they would handle confinement.
Subjecting people to Rads doesn't need to have an entire vault built to do so, either. This could happen pre-war.
And I only used that because it is just the first example seen in the series.
Garys.
V87
V92
and so on.
These are experiments, but not to see how populations would do in confinement.
Besides, VB never happened, so that explanation of the vaults as experiments holds no value.

Yeah but Rage starts when a big space ship thing flies to the earth so it's not that similar.

3D printers aren't nearly as powerful as the Dead Money vending machines... and nothing irl comes close to hologram soldiers or teleportation. These were all available right before the Great War. That's just insane.

The fact is, it's impossible to have a grasp of it. Even before the newer Fallout titles the technology of the old world was hard to follow - there being turbo plasma rifles, talking robots, but still using bulky, [censored] TVs and very basic computers. By this point, with both BGS and Obsidian confusing things further there is no hope of making coherent sense of it all. A lost cause. All we can hope is that there is no magic technology that can do anything. OWB was a bit too close to that, I hope BGS didn't decide to go by that example.

I got the impression the vaults were places you could do radical human testing without anyone to send you to jail for it. They are kind of an evil science experiment in some cases and the motivation for them is a little unclear. I'm more of the mind that the vaults should have been mostly control vaults and fewer experiments, but then again we don't even know how those numbers break down in total.

I don't mean tests to see how the handled confinement, I meant a unknowing confined test population who literally had no choice, knowledge or anyway to escape said testing.

For example.....

Divide the population into two groups, pump in gas and see how long it takes them to become paranoid about the other group.

Prevent the Vault door from sealing, see long term rad effect on civilian population.

etc.

Basically the stuff that would have highly illegal pre-war.

Mothership Zeta brings up Cryogenics as something that the Commonwealth had been working on prior to the Great War.

People are thinking that because they showed some prewar scenes in the trailer that it some how means that it has extreme significance. they forget that this is a trailer, the very first one so far, its not meant to announce or display hard facts. its meant to let us know the game has in fact been in development and will be released relatively soon to get us excited.

Twas an ingame trailer though. No reason to make all those pre-war textures just for a trailer.

Was it, I thought the in game part started after the nuke went off.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a small pre-war prologue, but really my first thought upon seeing the trailer was of all the pre-war trailers for Fallout 3......it wasn't until I came here that I even considered that there could be a pre-war section to the game.

Huh, maybe you'll start in a pre-war setting, fleeing to the vault and then when the nuke goes off, your simulation pod will open starting the main game.

Besides Desmond, none of these people really have a need or even apparent want for their bodies. They only care about what they can achieve, and they can do that just as well, if not better, in in their current states. Cryogenics will allow you to live in a future time, but you will still only be awake and able-bodied for a normal number of years. What House, Desmond, and the Think Tank did to themselves allows them to live and work pretty much indefinitely.

Look at House. He's of nearly godlike status in Vegas, and that gives him way more power than he had with a body. Same for the Think Tank, who even consider your fleshy meat sack primitive and inferior. A hundred years after Fallout 4, Mr. 111 will be in the dirt. But these people will still be making strides.

Indeed. However, the Commonwealth, Enclave or whoever didn't have cryo advanced enough (at the time of the war) to sustain beyond 10 years or so. The only tech capable of cryo for 200 years is the alien cryo pods on the mother ship. Quite sometime after the bombs.

It ain't MPD. It's your brain and your thoughts essentially being split. The reason and logic that your brain uses are no longer burdened by things like hormones and instinct. Normal-you is essentially arguing with soulless-you. And while it's all still you, the brain seems like a seperate entity because it doesn't represent the Courier at his/her fullest.

Yes but House froze himself while still somewhat young and capable. It's clear not having a body is a limitation, since House and the Think Tank outright tell you they need capable human agents.

I just find it very unbelievable that these so called geniuses wouldn't use all available technologies with maximum efficiency. Anything House has achieved, he could've gone a step further were he a human for a time. He'll tell you himself he landed in a coma due to power outages for a while. And none of this would prevent House from entering his life support at a later date. Simultaneously, one has to wonder how the Think Tank hasn't come up with androids themselves.

Yeah I remember this discussion, and the only conclusion was that the Courier must've experienced some temporary insanity or hallucinations as a result of such an odd situation, where his brain was given a means to speak, it was simultaneously transmitting thoughts and "orders" to his body, and therefore viola, he r has confused.

As I said though, I consider the difference between OWB and FO4's potential plots to be while both can understandably break people's immersion, OWB is at least a scenario where the writers are well aware of it's absurdity and, if screamed at, wouldn't do it again. Bethesda on the other hand seems blissfully unaware when they create issues or plot holes or unlikely scenarios.

We are talking about a philanthropist responsible for robotics, who owns a multimillion dollar empire and was contracted to create Liberty Prime for the US military. I sincerely doubt that House would not have some means to get his hands on any technology he wants. Likewise, the Think Tank were a secretive group themselves, and I think even Desmond was a part of another secretive group of rich people.

All of these people are highly influential and two of them are very involved with tech. None of them acknowledge the option of cryogenically freezing themselves or explain why they couldn't/wouldn't.

Which is still bull....

Brains in jars not too much but cryogenics is too far out there?

Cryogenics isn't unfathomable, it's just something that hasn't been mentioned until now, out of nowhere, in the FO universe. Brains in jars have SOME roots in the series, with the Robobrains and all.

They need agents just as much as Ceaser needs agents. It's not like House would've left his fortress and collected the chip in person, and the Think Tank using lobotomites doesn't mean that they don't prefer their current form. It's no different than humans using a dog to sniff out drugs. We need them but it doesn't mean we want to be dogs.

And did House freeze himself? I thought it was simply highly advanced life support hooked up to his nervous system. The coma is the only reason he wasn't awake and working this entire time, and that wouldn't have happened had he obtained the platinum chip just a day sooner.

But that's still you. Remember, you are your brain. Every other part of your body is simply a meat suit that your brain controls. So if your brain is no longer being affected by hormones and instinct that means you aren't either.