Exactly.

I still hate the talking brains in a Jar stuff.

Or the forms of it we have seen have not been picture perfect; even the aliens in Mothership Zeta had the technology, but theirs would sometimes kill it's subjects.

So now instead of having the reasonable kind seen by House and the Tranquility Lane vault, humanity has this magic cryogenic freezing system that's possibly even superior to tech aliens have.

Look, let me just say there's nothing impossible about any of this, it's just kind of a stretch of the imagination. And for me? More importantly the topic at hand is that I do not think Bethesda even considered or thought of these potential problems. Today it's "hey Bethesda that technology seems kind of out of place based off what we know about the Fallout universe," tomorrow it's "oh btw the Brotherhood can teleport" without any of them realizing that's [censored] stupid because it'd make their journeys east pointless and trivial.

Lolno. Replay the game. The Legion gives you much smaller tasks compared to the others, and always with a tone of "if you die trying I'll send someone else who won't screw up as bad as you." The Legion seems like the "I seriously don't need your help" faction of the game.

Caesar will tell you he chooses you to destroy House's vault because were he to send some of his men to do it, he'd have to kill them afterwards. While this highlights your usefulness, no part of it feels like "I'm screwed without you." House? House is 100% screwed without you. He has zero options left if you die.

I completely agree. Bethesda using cryogenics as a plot device seems more towards a magic convenience than a well thought out idea. It's just seems like they gathered up the writers and said:

Lead Writer: "OK, guys. We need a way for our protagonist to be in the pre-war era AND the post-apocalyptic era, but NO time travel! Alright? GO!"

Writer #1: "Uh, how about we freeze them until we're good and ready to use them!"

Lead Writer: "Brilliant!"

Writer #2: "But how would that fit the lor-..."

Lead Writer: "Shut up. I doubt anyone even cares. I mean, we wouldn't know, because we sure don't."

Agreed. It's unlikely that the tech existed and House wasn't at the very least aware of it, and at the most capable of getting his hands on it. My argument isn't the plausibility of the situation, which I agree, is low. It's that House and the Think Tank had no real reason to desire putting themselves to sleep for a random number of years only to awaken later on and continue their work as able-bodied humans. They want to live and work for as long as possible. Not sleep for a couple hundred years or so, and only then wake up and start working.

The Legion are also the bravado faction of the game. They continually try to prop themselves up and appear strong when everyone knows they're living on borrowed time and will implode once Caesar snuffs it.

As for House, the primary reason he's in the situation he's in is by his own choice because he's a paranoid recluse (he is literally Howard Hughes of the future) and not because he is in a life support machine.

He chose to rely on an army of robots and keep an aloof distance from his human minions until you come along.

Trust me, I don't need to replay the game.
I didn't mean the Courier specifically when I said "agents". I meant people to do his bidding. The Legion would do fine without the Courier, hell, I'm in the camp that thinks they would win it all without his intervention. What I meant was that Ceaser himself doesn't stroll into Nipton to crucify Powder Gangers, or sneak into Vault 34 to find the auto-doc parts. He has people do his dirty work for him, while he sits back and gives commands. Whether the doers of said work are his soldiers, spies, or the Courier, they are still his agents. It's the same with House and the Think Tank. They're leaders. They use others as they must.

Exactly.

I see a lot of people actually making good sense of the problems I've posed. I mean if I sit down and think it through, of course it's totally plausible that House would have some reason or another to not bother with freezing himself and instead goes directly to his network life support.

My complaint is more that this feels like I'm filling the gaps. It feels like a gap is there and I have to fill it, not Bethesda. And even if the gap can be filled, it makes me nervous that they're leaving gaps at all. It has a very negligent tone to it where there's seemingly not a person on their team saying "wait a minute guys, let's talk about the implications of this technology." Someone suggests it, everyone goes "yep, that's sci-fi stuff! That means it belongs in Fallout 100%! Just like androids and aliens and Tie-fighters!" No Bethesda, that's not how it works. This is fiction, but there's consistency to it, and every kind of tech has dramatic implications.

Because again, here's another: Why is this the only vault that froze people? Many vaults are experimental, but some are legitimate. Vault 19 for example was meant to repopulate the area. So if instead of having these people trying to survive generations in a cramped vault, you can just freeze them, why isn't that happening more often?

Now yes, you may be reading that and saying "MAYBE THEY DID! Maybe this is just the first vault of it'd kind that we're introduced to!" Or maybe you're saying "maybe the technology itself is unrefined and being tested, and that's why House and them didn't touch it and this vault is also an experiment!" All of these are fully 100% plausible. My beef? We're coming up with them, not Bethesda. We as the fans are asking questions that need answers....and we're answering them. And I get the sense we're going to answer them without Bethesda ever knowing the question was asked, or that the technology posed a problem to the consistency of the series.

So while we can explain these ourselves, I doubt we'll ever get straight answers from Bethesda, and if this is how negligently they throw "SCIENCE!!" around, then it won't be long before the Brotherhood is teleporting back and forth across the USA and Super Mutants are impregnating women who have a thing for green guys.

Cryo-Stasis might be an explanation to set up the *other* possible plot of "Secretly an android!"

There's still THAT theory running around. If gamesas has any sense in their heads, they'd have made the question of weather or not the PC is an android nondefinite. You get your answer based on the choices you made in the game, not some dumb yes/no question.

That would then allow the explanation. PC is an android? 111 was experimenting with putting human minds into robots. PC was human? 111 was a cryo-vault.

Also, note one more thing guys... WE ONLY HAVE TWO TRAILERS AND NO RELEASE DATE YET! Complaining about a Cryo-freezing origin without any more knowledge at this point is kinda like saying "I hate the latest car produced because the only one they had at the auto show three months before they launched the line was Red."

Is it sad that I'd prefer and be relieved to see this super clich?and expected plot "twist?"

Incredibly.

I don't follow. Cyroscience doesn't prolong life it puts it in suspended animation. If you want to entend life you want to use a science that actually allows you to experience life. Not use a science that allows you to stop expeienceing life for the now so you can expeience it in the future.

I'm saying such a tool would be useful for someone like House. AKA, House predicts the end of the world, prepares for it, and it might be preferred to first remain unhooked from his network, manage it as a human, freeze himself to jump a few years ahead if neccesary, and attach himself to his life support network only when out of options or when he lacks any benefit from remaining detached. Such a flexible plan would've afforded him better and safer control over his network, completely avoiding a coma while also staying able-bodied for if a good occassion should arise.

It just seems like a super useful technology that all of these groups would have some degree of interest in, yet none of them have ever spoken of it or acknowledged it. Meanwhile, the only recorded case of the technology thusfar was amongst alien tech, and even theirs was faulty and would accidently off a subject periodically. And as stated above, why aren't more vaults using this tech if it's there?

What was Mr House doing during the centuries before he united the tribes and took over New Vegas?

I'd have thought freezing himself until the background radiation reduced and the vaults opened giving him a population he could rebuild with would have been a good initial plan if cryogenics were available.....non vault tribal populations would open up more options but would Mr House have expected there to be a bunch of tribals available.

Where am I remembering the Enclave having reversed alien tech and/or weren't they doing something with cryo development?

... not that the two would be related.

Thing is, bethesda doesn't even care. They will use it because they've seen it in rage and thought it was kool

I don't quite recall, but I think he did put himself in suspended animation for a set amount of years periodically waking up to perform maintenance and check on his robots.

He probably didn't freeze himself because this would've been less efficient.

I still don't see the need for cryogenics. This raises the question of why House didn't "remain unhooked from his network" and "manage it as a human" for a few years longer, as it most likely would have given him more control. And it would have allowed him to dodge the coma. But from what I can tell of the situation, freezing himself would serve no purpose. There's probably not been a conscious moment of House's post-apocalyptic life where he just sat around twiddling his decrepit old thumbs. He is a thinker and a worker. He quietly oversees Vegas, he gives his tribes orders, he considers ways to outmaneuver his opponents. He never would have frozen himself, because it would have meant an extended period of being idle. That's not like House at all.

"It just seems like a super useful technology that all of these groups would have some degree of interest in, yet none of them have ever spoken of it or acknowledged it. Meanwhile, the only recorded case of the technology thusfar was amongst alien tech, and even theirs was faulty and would accidently off a subject periodically. And as stated above, why aren't more vaults using this tech if it's there?"

I agree with this, though. It doesn't make much sense in to just pop up in the series.

I can think of countless reasons a vault full of cryogenically processed humans would be something the technology "brains' would want to do. But the most basic is simple preservation of the species. Quite simply they are organic backup files for the human race. NO problem with cryogenics being a part of fallout.

Here's the thing, House was in a sterile advanced form of life support, the Think Tank are also in life support except they sacrificed their bodies and the damage mentally has been pretty severe and Desmond was a ghoul. All of these are vastly different yet have one thing in common, Cryogenic Freezing doesn't extends your life, it pauses every single thing about you at that moment you were frozen in time, but once you're unthawed, it's continuing the aging process. This is not as similar as a life support line or ghoul mutation, instead it's a 'freeze time' button and also freezing your awareness with it. House's whole point wasn't a vanity point for his looks, it was his desire to steer Vegas he felt he was best to lead it. Being frozen only means he'd just die after a while, but in his life support machine, he's capable of extending his life through advanced medical care. Cryo is only good for a passing of time, but the real long term people will seek a way to extend their life, not pause and resume.

And what's the date on this? Is this Pre-War?

2277. Alien power cells on the mobile crawler.

Good point. It would have certainly been postwar. Thus irrelevant and the remaining fact that unless they write in something to support cryo tech before the bombs, then any theory using such is rather weak.

Vault experiments rarely went as planned. Perhaps a cryogenic freeze wasn't the actual end goal, just the result? Freeze the bodies of a bunch of pre-war citizens for their dna so that they could act as a control group when comparing to other control vault groups or non-vault dwellers.

Little plot armor here and contrivance there and out pops an intact vault dweller from pre-war with a cold and poor immune system.

Yeah....

And again, my issue is more that my gut tells me Bethesda simply isn't sitting down and considering these little factors. I don't think they even care, and that's what bothers me. If right now, Todd Howard were to come in this thread, cite me an example of cryogenics in Tactics or something and then give me dates on when the technology began and how stable/unstable it is, I honestly wouldn't care if he and I just disagreed on if we think it's a good fit or not. I'd be relieved just to see he did the homework and bothered to look into how feasible it is, even if we still disagreed on it being a good fit or not.

But I think many of us can agree it just feels like Bethesda doesn't take Fallout's lore very seriously OR doesn't understand it. It often feels like they've adopted this series that's very philosophical and interestingly realistic at times about it's own twists on sci-fi premises (example, 1950's sci-fi was that radiation makes you spoodermenz, in reality it kills you, so Fallout invents the FEV virus to function just like radiation is perceived to), with many well thought-out conflicts and socio-economic issues that could actually happen....

And then they go "LOLZ it's sci fi right? Let's give them a PLASMA CANNON! Oh no wait! How about the Enclave has a DEATH STAR?!?!"

And then half of us groan because it's painful to watch Bethesda just not get it or just not care, because soon, what was once a carefully crafted, researched and planned universe of lore that's now decades old, is bound to become a sci-fi circle jerk filled with plotholes and idiotic "rule of cool" premises where shiny lasers and explosions trump logical consistency.

My issue is their negligence, I consider cryogenics a symptom of it. And while I would agree that we're lucky in this case with it not being that bad, another example is androids themselves. To my knowledge, all "android" research in the real world is purely experimental. AKA, you can find companies with an interest in robotics and an interest in one day commercializing them, but androids and advanced AI? This is pure academics that does not leave university grounds. This is testing done merely to test our knowledge of AI programming, advance it and better understand it. I know of no man or company with an actual interest in creating technology, because what purpose is there in creating an AI that's so self-aware that it recognizes we've enslaved it? That exact question is the backbone of comedic scenes like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ht-ZyJOV2k

https://youtu.be/2TfZEwvTma0?t=30s

So yeah, even the question of "why did the Institute make Androids" is an interesting one, because supposedly they're not just a limited line of experimental dozens or so; they've been made en masse. Little things like that just really kill immersion for me and make me wonder if Bethesda understands what they're even writing.