(Before I start this off, let me say that I know about the various threads concerning exclusively http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1164722-orcs-in-skyrim/, http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1177943-any-screenshots-or-info-on-wich-breed-of-khajiit/, http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1177842-if-bosmer-are-still-annoying-little-pip-squeaks-i-will/, etc. My hopes for this one is that it may become a place where the whole forum can discuss their thoughts on advancements for any race, whether it be voice actors, special abilities, physical make-up, or anything in between. Now with that out of the way... )



"All races will look better and more distinct." ~ Todd Howard

Great news indeed. Though it's simply one small quote that may not mean a lot, I'd really like to share with you my wishes for each and every one of them as I have many ideas. They're mostly concerning improved appearances over Oblivion. Please realize that everything below is merely my own opinion and I mean no offense to anyone.



http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu155/oblivionlp/highelf.jpg: It's obvious that in order to set them apart from Dunmer, the devs added some unique features which really didn't improve the way they looked. Notice how far out the brow protrudes. You could practically eat soup out of the indent in their foreheads. To me, I would think that Altmer would be the most beautiful, majestic race in all of Tamriel. I mean it's just common folklore to make elves pretty. Tolkein did it and I assume Bethesda was aiming for the same thing. After all, why suggest that Dark Elves were punished when they actually look more attractive than High Elves? I want them to be quite the sight in Skyrim. Handsome males that you envy and gorgeous females that outshine the most lusty argonian maids. I'm not a big fan of the yellow skin either but that seems to be trademark.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2798/4256607826_2cfa6876ea.jpg: Boy, what a disappointment it was to behold this sorry looking creature after I read the manual and saw such great http://ravenoaks.org/oblivion/images/breton.gif. In Oblivion they were like fat, wrinkly versions of Imperials. In Skyrim, I really hope they follow up with what they had originally intended them to be. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8TCz6shD7mU/TZTvPlK9IfI/AAAAAAAAAfw/zCL4zjvYwlc/s1600/Skyrim_DraugrGroup.jpg tells us that the team has been working on skeletons showing through bodies more. Something less drastic could be applied to the revamped Brets as well as guant faces, long fingers, and slightly pointed ears that display their elven heritage. Make them more witch-like. They are the most capable in the arcane arts when it comes to humans. Oh, and when developing their nature, please give them more flamboyant and eccentric personalities like lore implies.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2783/4255940951_d9303e10d5.jpg: As a beast race, Khajiit have a lot of potential to look amazing. I know most of you out there want Morrowind style legs. I do too to some extent. What the devs must have been getting their ideas for Khajiit legs from were probably http://courses.washington.edu/chordate/453photos/skeleton_photos/cat-hind-leg.jpg. This time I suggest they look more into http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/Science/data/images/MmBib/VetAnatImg/xlarge/0054x.jpg. With some minor reshaping, you could fit that into a boot, no? Whatever the case, paws must be included this time around rather than furry human feet. Speaking of fur, I believe more shades should be optional. I don't want to go against lore and ask for cheetah spots (we are still Suthay-Raht after all) but to this date, there has been no mention of any strain of snow cats. Why couldn't those in Skyrim have adapted to the environment around them and taken on a coat similiar to that of a snow leopard? And it would be only natural for their hair to be much thicker than before. Bushy tails anyone? I also want to the the choice of changing the color of their irises this time. My cat has blue eyes, why can't my Khajiit?

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4059/4256204229_d5be6c2350.jpg: I wasn't too keen on how these lot looked either. Foreheads slanted, elongated noses... they just had really pointy faces. It looked unnatural. Lady Syl was the only good looking Wood Elf I ever saw and she was in Shivering Isles. Keep them short and agile, it fits them perfectly but perhaps they should have less rediculous hair styles? I mean it's like the devs are trying to make them silly looking. I know we're not in Valenwood and I can't expect every Bosmer out there to be some badass ranger/hunter but I've never seen any Wood Elf in Oblivion that intimidated me. They are the most skilled marksmen so why not give them something unique like http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2305/2495028541_0f6808c82b.jpg to reflect their advanced peripheral depth perception? It makes sense and would most certainly give those with bovinaphobia the creeps.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4029/4256803712_90812f1165.jpg: Here's a little lore for you in case you didn't already know the story behind Pariah Folk. Trinimac was a God amongst an ancient sect of Aldmeri elves. One day, he did something to piss off the Daedric Prince Boethiath so Boethiath decided to curse Trinimac and his followers, making Trinimac Malacath and his people Orcs. One thing we must remember out of all of this is that Orcs were in fact cursed by a Daedric Lord. I think they should appear more ogrish and sinister rather than sophisticated peoples. Ram horns, jagged claws, darker skin, bigger tusks. Maybe the horns might be a little hard to implement but tribal peircings and body augmentations that exhibit endurance of pain such as http://studentsmetro.com/fun/dat/542/kala-kaiwi.jpg (WARNING: link may disturb you) would be most appropriate. I also expect to see more barbaric acts from this race in Skyrim. Gross me out a little.

http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu155/oblivionlp/darkelf.jpg: Now, I never played Morrowind but I hear they made a mean Dark Elf. The average gamesas forum goer would probably agree that the Dunmer in TES III were very well done unlike the blue Altmer in Oblivion. Going back to those roots would appease many fans. My thoughts? Like the orcs, they were punished by a Daedric Prince. Azura in fact (well, I mean according to some lore) so is dark skin and red eyes truly a bad thing? Is that enough? How about some http://www.nefariousfilms.com/Images/Monsters/jeeperscreepers.jpg? I don't know why you would say that's unoriginal. Well good thing they're recieving a new slimy, salamander-like skin texture as seen http://thegamingliberty.com/wp-content/uploads/SKYRIM55.jpg. Atleast I believe that's a Dunmer. Could be a goblin... or an Orc... Just kidding, it's a Dunmer. :biggrin:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2465/4256964516_e3a6c8d23d.jpg: I can't think of any problems I have with these people what-so-ever. What do I mean, these people? The warrior race from the islands of Yokuda ofcourse. It's hard to improve on what is supposed to be an equivalent of a real life race of human-beings. They can't be magically redesigned to have horns or tails. The only thing I can suggest is to make them look more realistic, which I'm sure they will do "reguardless" heh heh.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2715/4255938689_43a48138d4.jpg: Like Redguards, there's not much you can do with a race that has been modeled after real people. Just make them not so ugly this time.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4044/4256593738_85e3feca2d.jpg: One of the most interesting races in Tamriel, this creature also has boat loads of potential to be awesome in Skyrim. Simply reading about the anatomy of these swamp critters can get your blood pumping. They are known for their various amphibian traits including gills that allow them to breathe underwater and fins that sprout from their heads but one would wonder... how well would an Argonian fare in a place that is cold and near inhospitable to their race? I suspect major differences from the Argonians of Oblivion and Morrowind such as sturdy tails, thicker skin, and more of a dinosaur-like appearance similiar to http://honolulu.hawaii.edu/dinos/rex_head_large.gif rather than that of a lizard. http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/027/5/5/skyrim__s_argonian_drawing_by_xxxbanditxxx-d383uyh.png, please oh please make the swimming animations exceedingly different from the other races. I'd like to see my Argonian clasp his arms at his sides and propel himself with his tail instead of a lame briaststroke (which is ok for everyone else). Again, as a beast race they should have noticably different feet. Something along the lines of http://cdn2.arkive.org/media/AC/AC8340AE-D715-4BDF-B0A0-76D6CCC5D3F5/Presentation.Large/Komodo-dragon-claws.jpg would suit them fine.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4035/4256944660_e05a482fa7.jpg: Last but not least, NORAWAWAA! So far, they look http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/2751/dovahkiin.jpg. Just let me get in on some of that braided hair, flowing beard action and I'll be fine. Can't wait to be a http://gameoption.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Skryim-Trailer-anolysis-16-Dual-Wield-590x358.jpg.


Even if they don't turn out as hoped, I'm sure I will still be blown away. Now, lets hear your thoughts!

Honestly, I'm not too fond of the Argonian portrayed in the Concept Art. :yuck: Based on the image, I just don't feel it. Hopefully we'll get some real screens soon.

Great thread! Thanks for the insight, character creation/development is one of the reasons why I love TES.

where you said the"dunmer" killing the goblin, it actually looks more like a nord silent killing a goblin.
You can see the white (imperial/nord) stabbing into the dark skinned goblin

Thank you!


That was sort of a joke pertaining to another topic on the fourms. I'd rather this thread didn't take that path... lol

Bretons:

nice , good... not bad:

http://www.google.com.lb/imgres?imgurl=http://www.play.net/images/gs3/races/new/halfelves.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.play.net/gs4/info/races/halfelf.asp&usg=__Q4EKMOQ951Lf9w4fnJOsFBo05XI=&h=400&w=220&sz=56&hl=ar&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=LkgPLcP15BoHiM:&tbnh=191&tbnw=105&ei=g-GdTe_YH4KBswb5-ZymBA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhalf%2Belves%26hl%3Dar%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DIID%26sa%3DX%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1680%26bih%3D869%26tbm%3Disch%26prmd%3Divns&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=264&vpy=51&dur=549&hovh=303&hovw=166&tx=102&ty=117&oei=g-GdTe_YH4KBswb5-ZymBA&page=1&ndsp=41&ved=1t:429,r:8,s:0


HELL NO:

http://www.google.com.lb/imgres?imgurl=http://guides.gamepressure.com/theelderscrolls4oblivion/gfx/word/1030000218.jpg&imgrefurl=http://guides.gamepressure.com/theelderscrolls4oblivion/guide.asp%3FID%3D949&usg=__qHINimYboy5prt7s_-Eln0__P78=&h=145&w=100&sz=27&hl=ar&start=24&zoom=1&tbnid=XlLu3fFCLJZsWM:&tbnh=95&tbnw=66&ei=7OOdTaf9FIrKsgaG_dShBA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dbretons%2Bin%2Boblivion%26hl%3Dar%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1680%26bih%3D869%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1

I mean DAM...

i wonder if we'll see extra races to choose from, i'd like to see Ka Po' Tun myself with an appearance akin to this.

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/286/9/4/weretiger_by_koutanagamori-d30nyog.jpg

i know they live in the continent of akavir but it would still be awesome to see them, they have to be properly explained as to why they would be in skyrim however (maybe something to do with tosh raka, the "tiger dragon").

bottom-line: very unlikely, but still an awesome idea IMO, especially for those that want more feline races apart from the khajiit.

While Bretons have elven blood they should not look anything like half elves IMO. They have never had pointy ears in the games adding it now would svck IMO. If people want to play an elf there are a ton of options that away. Give people who don't want to play an elf a single frigging race decent at magic. The elf blood is so diluted at this point all you should be seeing is the higher magical aptitude and they are a bit taler and paler.

I don't think Altmers are supposed to be "the most beautiful race", they're more like literal "high-brow" elves. They act superior because they're smarter than everybody else, and mostly because they can.

Bretons should be more than just the "not different at all" version of Imperials.

I liked Oblivon Khajiit and I don't know what other change are needed. They don't need to be savage jaguar warriors, they're more sneaky than that. Also, I like to wear boots...

I had no problem with Bosmer being the "halfling" race, but yeah a bit more agility would be nice for them. Also I always found them the most human amongs elves.

Orcs... doesn't need horns. They're big green/brown pig people. And they don't seem to be a very barbaric race either, something like a more sophisticated Krogan.

Dunmer are good as they are, maybe they need sharper elven features like in Morrowind but that's it.

Redguard are okey too, it was just Oblivion's skin color that made everything look wierd.

Imperials are Imperials...

I hope Argonians are going to be more of a mix of Morrowind and Oblivion. They should stand uptight, like anybody else, but they should have some beastial features, like the head, or thicker tail. I mostly base this on the concept art...

Nords are big...

I agree on most parts, but disagree with the thing about Orsimer. They should not have horns or anything. I don't want them messing with the very basic shape of their appearance. They are like humans with upturned noses, green skin and large lower canines, essentially. How they are presented can be changed, but these basic elements should remain. Also not sure about Dunmer having razor teeth. Bosmer should have black eyes, like they used to, and have a determined hunter style face. All elves should have some of that slightly alien look they did in Morrowind.

And BTW Danger Dan, who wasn't ugly in oblivion?

I really don't think it's right for people to say "most people want x y z." We all have our own opinions, and let's not try to make bold unsubstantiated declarations.

I don't want stereotypical brutish Orc. NO race should be some uniform walking stereotype in my opinion. We should find some Nord and Orc magicians, even if they are rarer. We should meet some warrior Altmer or Bosmer, even if they are rare. Walking stereotypes: just say no!

One of the good points of the races in this series is that they aren't just cookie cutter designs that all act alike. Something really annoys me about one race always acting the same. It's almost directly what lead me to stop reading the Redwall books when I was younger, because 99% of the time when you saw a race you knew exactly how that character would act or if they could be trusted. That's not how it should work, in my opinion.

Does nayone thiink 200 years is too short a time for Orcs to grow horns? i loved playing Bosmer in OB because no matter how puny and insigniificant they looked i loved beating up non-bosmers like a badass.

unless another daedric prince put another curse on them, i'd say yes, it would be too short a time.

Most of the complaints are because of the stupid facegen middleware.

Yesh, orcs should look frightening, with faces only their mothers could love. I want to be gripped by revulsion each time I see an Orc face, not knowing if they're going to greet me, or eat my face off. Dunmer should get the same treatment. Both of these races have been cursed by Daedra, and no self-respecting Daedra would create a curse which makes you look more like Shrek (http://gandt.blogs.brynmawr.edu/files/2009/04/kurdan.jpg) than a filthy barbaric creature (http://www.otherlandtoys.co.uk/lotrOrc800.jpg).

Making Orcs and Dunmer less appealing visually actually makes them more interesting in the context of both gameplay and lore. Here are two races cursed to be instinctively hated by all other races, but are still trying to manage as a people. That's fodder for a lot of gripping conflict right there!

Yesh, orcs should look frightening, with faces only their mothers could love. I want to be gripped by revulsion each time I see an Orc face, not knowing if they're going to greet me, or eat my face off. Dunmer should get the same treatment. Both of these races have been cursed by Daedra...

There can be such a thing as a barbaric magician. Tell me, when did you ever find a peace loving Orc in Oblivion? It was a 'stereotype' anyway since all of them had the same "I'm gonna rip your arms off!" mindset. Besides, that's the way Orcs in TES are supposed to be. They're mad at the world for being so cruel to them. The problem was that it wasn't done to it's fullest. They should've been meaner.

Totally, somewhat I find the Dunmers exotic and desirable, not so skinny/weak looking for males and... and... Viconia-affection on the females? For me, heh.