The 10 Races of Skyrim : V - Skyrim

» Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:24 pm

I think bethesda would agree with everything except the Dunmer and Orsimer suggestion. They are just too far from how they have been portraited before.

And the Argonians? I thought that would be the biggest change out of all my suggestions. Besides the razor sharp teeth & leathery skin for Dunmer and the horns & giant tusks for Orcs, they wouldn't be too different.

And the idea of Bosmer having goat eyes, cool as it would be.
Too far from lore.

Well they were black in Morrowind and normal in Oblivion so as far as I know, they could be any color/shape in Skyrim. The only thing holding back that idea is the fact that the devs probably haven't even thought of it. Don't know if they'd share my opinions. They may hate goat eyes but you can't deny it makes a lot of sense.

Oh, and thanks for saying it was cool.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:08 am

I think this Orc looks savage:
http://www.theeurth.com/lords54/images/wor_orc.jpg

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:59 am

Regarding the argonians, I think this one looks really nice.
http://www.tamriel-rebuilt.org/forum/files/tanza-ra_163.png

it's supposed to be a Tanza - Ra argonian though.

» Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:23 pm

Regarding the argonians, I think this one looks really nice.
http://www.tamriel-rebuilt.org/forum/files/tanza-ra_163.png

it's supposed to be a Tanza - Ra argonian though.

I think that looks a bit too reptile

But I hope that when we create our argonians that we could change the look of the tail.

» Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:51 pm

And the Argonians? I thought that would be the biggest change out of all my suggestions. Besides the razor sharp teeth & leathery skin for Dunmer and the horns & giant tusks for Orcs, they wouldn't be too different.

I'm not saying they did the right thing for the beast-races in OB, but giving the orcs horns and giant tusks wouldn't make sense at all. 1: why should they have horns? They are twisted elves yes, but not demons, and 2: giant tusks would be very impractical. I don't see a problem with them having tusks that physically makes sense.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:10 am

I think that looks a bit too reptile

But I hope that when we create our argonians that we could change the look of the tail.

Well, it's one subrace. beastfolk tend to have a lot of those, although it's probably not feasible to put them all in the game.

changing your tail would be really nice.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:10 am

I'm not saying they did the right thing for the beast-races in OB, but giving the orcs horns and giant tusks wouldn't make sense at all. 1: why should they have horns? They are twisted elves yes, but not demons, and 2: giant tusks would be very impractical. I don't see a problem with them having tusks that physically makes sense.

They're just simple proposals. Have you any improvements in mind yourself?

Well, it's one subrace. beastfolk tend to have a lot of those, although it's probably not feasible to put them all in the game.

Yes but in TES V, would it not make sense for them to be strongly adapted to the cold? Just plop http://honolulu.hawaii.edu/dinos/rex_head_large.gif on an Argonian body, add a new skin texture, change the hands/feet into claws, reshade the body, thicken the tail, and there you go.

I personally love this idea but looking at the http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/027/5/5/skyrim__s_argonian_drawing_by_xxxbanditxxx-d383uyh.png, seems like they aren't changing much. :confused:

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:39 am

They're just simple proposals. Have you any improvements in mind yourself?

No, I don't have any specified improvements in mind. I leave that up too the Bethesda designers. Then again that have nothing too do with this at all. You posted your idea on how they should be improved and I posted that I dissagree with some of them. You asked for my thoughts and I told you my view on the matter.
I would prefer that this doesn't turn into a flamewar, it would just make th moderators close the thread.
Edit: Jolly Good have a point on the subraces. If I remember correctly it is many subraces too Khajiit and Argonian mentioned in ES lore. Can't think of examples right now, though.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:06 am

Yes but in TES V, would it not make sense for them to be strongly adapted to the cold? Just plop http://honolulu.hawaii.edu/dinos/rex_head_large.gif on an Argonian body, add a new skin texture, change the hands/feet into claws, reshade the body, thicken the tail, and there you go. I personally love this idea but the concept art looks like they aren't changing much. :confused:

I think I read somewhere about argonians living in colder area's having large amounts of body fat to keep them warm. Can't recall where.

Something of argonian expression (from the glorious UESP wiki)
Argonians possess the most alien personalities in all of Tamriel from a human or meric perspective and it is therefore often assumed that Argonians possess neither personality nor emotions. Of course this is not true; Argonians simply do not express their emotions by shifting their face as man and mer do. The only emotion they can express facially is anger and the only signs for that are bared teeth and narrowed eyes.

Would be nice if the devs could get this in the game.

EDIT: personality -> expression

» Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:40 pm

No, I don't have any specified improvements in mind. I leave that up too the Bethesda designers. Then again that have nothing too do with this at all. You posted your idea on how they should be improved and I posted that I dissagree with some of them. You asked for my thoughts and I told you my view on the matter.
I would prefer that this doesn't turn into a flamewar, it would just make th moderators close the thread.
Edit: Jolly Good have a point on the subraces. If I remember correctly it is many subraces too Khajiit and Argonian mentioned in ES lore. Can't think of examples right now, though.

Haha what the hell are you talking about man? I'm just trying to to find out if you have any opinions regarding appearences. If you have none, you really don't give anything back to the devs. No need to insult my ideas...

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:10 pm

I don't think the races should have any differences that could only be brought about through evolution. Khajiiti shouldn't be white, and Argonians shouldn't look any different. The races haven't been exclusively in Skyrim long enough to begin showing any major differences. Look at the Khajiit in Cyrodill. Did they turn into panthers because they were in a more humid forest enviroment?

EDIT: Besides, the backstory I already created for my Khajiit has him traveling to Skyrim from Elsweyr, so it wouldn't make much sense for him to be a snow cat.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:24 am

Haha what the hell are you talking about man? I'm just trying to to find out if you have any opinions regarding appearences. If you have none, you really have nothing to give back to the devs. No need to insult my ideas...

You started too sound a little like the user that started the "Dual-wield Claymores" thread and that turned out too a big flamewar. I'm sorry if it came out insulting, that wasn't the meaning.
On topic: I don't have any specific suggestions, I just dissagree with your view on the Dunmer and Orcs.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:31 am

I don't think the races should have any differences that could only be brought about through evolution. Khajiiti shouldn't be white, and Argonians shouldn't look any different. Read the lore, people. The races haven't been exclusively in those areas long enough to begin showing any major differences.

It's not about that but if it was, I'd assume Mundus's form of evolution is much different than our own. It's about subspecies we haven't seen yet in a province that has not been explored by the player. It's also about redesigning races as they do with armor, creatures, and just about everything else for each installment. How do you explain the new Elven longswords? They're just remodeled, that's all.

EDIT: Besides, the backstory I already created for my Khajiit has him traveling to Skyrim from Elsweyr, so it wouldn't make much sense for him to be a snow cat.

The option never hurts. Be considerate to what other people want out of a game.

You started too sound a little like the user that started the "Dual-wield Claymores" thread and that turned out too a big flamewar.

Lol did I flame someone? I think you read me as being sarcastic.

I'm sorry if it came out insulting, that wasn't the meaning.
On topic: I don't have any specific suggestions, I just dissagree with your view on the Dunmer and Orcs.

That's fine. Many others do as well.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:19 am

It's not about that but if it was, I'd assume Mundus's form of evolution is much different than our own. It's about subspecies we haven't seen yet in a province that has not been explored by the player. It's also about redesigning races as they do with armor, creatures, and just about everything else for each installment. How do you explain the new Elven longswords? They're just remodeled, that's all.

I suppose so. It just irks me to see so many changes to the base lore done during development. It kills immersion for me, that's all.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:19 am

I suppose so. It just irks me to see so many changes to the base lore done during development. It kills immersion for me, that's all.

My philosophy on lore is that new information can always be added as long as it doesn't conflict with any preset notions.

» Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:57 pm

My philosophy on lore is that new information can always be added as long as it doesn't conflict with any preset notions.

Agreed. Lore is only what Bethesda says it is. They make the lore. There is nothing in the lore that states in the future there will be this, and wont be this. Certainly nothing that says there couldnt be white khajiit in the snow covered moutnains of Skyrim.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:44 am

This guy ^ :foodndrink:

» Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:47 pm

Okay, okay. I surrender in defeat.

I'm just saying, I'll be disappointed if they change the Khajiit too much. I love the furry little devils.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 1:36 am

Okay, okay. I surrender in defeat.

I'm just saying, I'll be disappointed if they change the Khajiit too much. I love the furry little devils.

I agree with what you putting down. I think the thread is mostly just an idea but I can tell you right now Bethesda is without a doubt tweaking the races. Im sure some will be substantial and others will be small, but changes are coming.

I wouldnt be worried though. Argonians, dark elves, orcs and khajiits and every race is going to look better this time around. Im sure of it.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:39 am

Agreed. Lore is only what Bethesda says it is. They make the lore. There is nothing in the lore that states in the future there will be this, and wont be this. Certainly nothing that says there couldnt be white khajiit in the snow covered moutnains of Skyrim.

Yes, lore is what Bethesda say it is.
I still hope they keep the races unique, but don't do any very drastic changes. I want them too feel familiar, yet new and unique.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:06 am

I think I read somewhere about argonians living in colder area's having large amounts of body fat to keep them warm. Can't recall where.

Something of argonian expression (from the glorious UESP wiki)
Argonians possess the most alien personalities in all of Tamriel from a human or meric perspective and it is therefore often assumed that Argonians possess neither personality nor emotions. Of course this is not true; Argonians simply do not express their emotions by shifting their face as man and mer do. The only emotion they can express facially is anger and the only signs for that are bared teeth and narrowed eyes.

Would be nice if the devs could get this in the game.

EDIT: personality -> expression

That would make sense, but I doubt many want to play as a fat argonian. :hehe: They're known for their agility after all.

The lack of facial emotions for Argonians could be interesting, but I doubt it would work well. Without facial expressions you couldn't take them seriously as their faces wouldn't tell anything of what they say. You could never tell if they were happy, appreciated a gift or anything. If they didn't have facial expressions they would have to tell how they feel like the Elcor in Mass Effect.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:24 am

That would make sense, but I doubt many want to play as a fat argonian. :hehe: They're known for their agility after all.

The lack of facial emotions for Argonians could be interesting, but I doubt it would work well. Without facial expressions you couldn't take them seriously as their faces wouldn't tell anything of what they say. You could never tell if they were happy, appreciated a gift or anything. If they didn't have facial expressions they would have to tell how they feel like the Elcor in Mass Effect.

What if some of their scales changed color? It would go back on some lore but it would be very interesting...

» Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:42 pm

What if some of their scales changed color? It would go back on some lore but it would be very interesting...

It would make many funny Youtube videos for certain

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:50 am

What if some of their scales changed color? It would go back on some lore but it would be very interesting...

They're colorful, but not chameleons.

At first I was going to suggest moving the tail, but that's what cats do. Cats can move ears too. A happy Khajiit has his tail and ears up.

» Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:36 pm

Honestly have you guys seen the concept for the argonians? I thought it looked great. More beast-like, yet a humanoid figure. I dunno, the tail and everything looked great and it just seemed to have a more 'animal' like feel without going overboard to where they are just lizards that wear clothes.