The Redguard Stormcloak

Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:52 am

Generally I had not thought of any character of mine being a Stormcloak supporter unless they were a Nord. I have had Nords join either side, non-Nords join the Empire, and several that didn’t join anyone.

Now I’m playing a Redguard and based on their current history and lore I find it really hard to justify him wanting to side with the Empire.

Bottom line, he would have every reason to hate the AD immensely. And the fact that the Empire basically abandoned Hammerfell during the war, and the fact that during the starting wagon ride he sees some Thalmor talking to the general, really makes a strong case against the Empire.

That basically put him in either the join neither group or join the Stormcloaks. I suppose that given the Stormcloaks hatred of the Thalmor that he could join them for the sole purpose of giving them a black eye.

Are there any holes in this background or am I reading the history and lore wrong?

Thanks.
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Angus Poole
 
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:16 am

Should be fine.

Think of it as pursuing Raga Justice.
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:48 pm

On a character that followed Hadvar in the prologue, I got the Stormcloak quest from a redguard who said something like "the empire is in shambles, all we fought for and they surrendered anyway."

Skyrim is basically going through the same thing that Hammerfell already did. It would make the most sense, IMO, for a redguard to support the Stormcloaks, or else be neutral. Some redguards might feel that Skyrim should have helped them more than they did and be resentful (there's a crazed necromancer in one dungeon whose journal says this, she's mostly mad at the empire but also at Nords) but I'm not sure how you'd work out a revenge motive rp-wise.

Something that may be of interest to you is the in-game book http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Skyrim which was written by a redguard.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:01 pm

On a character that followed Hadvar in the prologue, I got the Stormcloak quest from a redguard who said something like "the empire is in shambles, all we fought for and they surrendered anyway."

Skyrim is basically going through the same thing that Hammerfell already did. It would make the most sense, IMO, for a redguard to support the Stormcloaks, or else be neutral. Some redguards might feel that Skyrim should have helped them more than they did and be resentful (there's a crazed necromancer in one dungeon whose journal says this, she's mostly mad at the empire but also at Nords) but I'm not sure how you'd work out a revenge motive rp-wise.

Something that may be of interest to you is the in-game book http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Skyrim which was written by a redguard.

That book is perfect. Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:56 am

Nope nothing wrong. Lore seems fine.

I read the Great War as well and found that out about Redguards. It's almost like real-life if you think about it.. lol. As in the black guys said "F this we holding our own!" and the White guys ran with their tails between there legs. I have alot of respect for Redguards after reading that honestly. They were willing to stay and fight for there [censored], the Emperor was the one who gave in to the AD and signed the concordat. True while it did some good, BUT, if the Emperor wasn't a [censored] and didn't back down they would've won with the help of the Redguards.

I don't doubt that fact in my mind at all. So your claim makes perfect sense. Don't get why Nords and Redguards don't team up in Skyrim to take them out anyway, would make for an awesome Retaliation DLC.
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:42 am

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/flight-thalmor
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:18 am

I had a hard time signing up for the Stormcloaks with my Redguard. The Oath that Bear Head Guy demands from you is somewhat outlandish. It isn't good enough for him if you just want to kill Imperials; you also have to be a Super Hard Core Skyrim Patriot to the Max. I don't know; maybe I'm remembering it wrong. But when my Redguard was there, her reaction was, oh my, you really are a shield-chewing extremist, aren't you? And you're like the top general? I ... will have to think about it.

I am having fun with my Breton Stormcloak, though. She's a spy who wants Skyrim to be cut off from her political enemies in eastern High Rock. Best way to do that is to help the super-militant xenophobic faction rise to power! She lied through her teeth about the Oath, but is sincerely helping the Stormcloaks, albeit for the wrong reasons.
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 7:02 am

Don't get why Nords and Redguards don't team up in Skyrim to take them out anyway, would make for an awesome Retaliation DLC.

I'd like for Skyrim and Hammerfell to ally and kick some Thalmor ass.
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:02 am

I am having fun with my Breton Stormcloak, though. She's a spy who wants Skyrim to be cut off from her political enemies in eastern High Rock. Best way to do that is to help the super-militant xenophobic faction rise to power! She lied through her teeth about the Oath, but is sincerely helping the Stormcloaks, albeit for the wrong reasons.
Seems like there's a flaw in that plan since the "militant xenophobic faction" is reaching out to Hammerfell and High Rock for alliances even before they've won their civil war.
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:59 pm

Seems like there's a flaw in that plan since the "militant xenophobic faction" is reaching out to Hammerfell and High Rock for alliances even before they've won their civil war.
And if I recall correctly, they told Ulfric to stuff it. Whether Skyrim will make alliances or not will depend on whether or not they achieve total victory in the civil war. Even then, considering the political climates of both Hammerfell and Highrock, it is still questionable if alliances can be achieved.
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:36 am

Seems like there's a flaw in that plan since the "militant xenophobic faction" is reaching out to Hammerfell and High Rock for alliances even before they've won their civil war.
Well - I haven't gotten that far yet :) If that happens, I guess I'll have to change strategies!
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:58 am

And if I recall correctly, they told Ulfric to stuff it. Whether Skyrim will make alliances or not will depend on whether or not they achieve total victory in the civil war. Even then, considering the political climates of both Hammerfell and Highrock, it is still questionable if alliances can be achieved.
They aren't going to get involved in an ongoing civil war.

Everything's questionable.
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:42 am

This Redguard sided with the Empire. Partly because change from within is more effective and less costly than change from without, but also due to an important factor. That factor was that the Stormcloaks were hostile to me from the start. I couldn't approach any camp without being warned off and then attacked. I talked to Galmor Block-Head in Windhelm, and his question, "Why should a Redguard fight for Skyrim?" revealed his http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingoism. Why should I not? It's my home, too, pal. I even gave them Markarth and Riften, and what thanks did I get? Besides, whatever Ulfric may think of the Thalmor, and there we agree, he was using the conflict for self aggrandizement.
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:58 am

This Redguard sided with the Empire. Partly because change from within is more effective and less costly than change from without, but also due to an important factor. That factor was that the Stormcloaks were hostile to me from the start. I couldn't approach any camp without being warned off and then attacked. I talked to Galmor Block-Head in Windhelm, and his question, "Why should a Redguard fight for Skyrim?" revealed his http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingoism. Why should I not? It's my home, too, pal. I even gave them Markarth and Riften, and what thanks did I get? Besides, whatever Ulfric may think of the Thalmor, and there we agree, he was using the conflict for self aggrandizement.

Really? As a Breton I can walk in any camp whenever I want. Perhaps you had attacked Stormcloaks before or had a bounty? Also, Galmor questionned my involvement and yes it is annoying but you can answer your way accordingly. I got offended and he backed out. Can't really blame them for being suspicious a bit, after all Ulfric remembers that you were a prisonner and Ralof hasn't spoken on your behalf yet (he clearly says so). If anything the Imperials could have sent you as a spy to regain your freedom. Ulfric has no idea what you did in Helgen afterwards.

But I am trully surprised that you were attacked on sight. Might have to try a few other races to see what happens...
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Post » Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:34 pm

Perhaps you had attacked Stormcloaks before or had a bounty?

Nope. Right from the first time I found a camp, I think it was the one near Falkreath, it was, "move along! Are you looking for a fight?" If I didn't tug my forelock and shuffle off meekly they'd attack.
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Post » Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:09 am

My fifth character is a redguard spellsword & sellsword and it will be problably the first character that will join the Stormcloacks and afterwards will betray them for the empire when given the chance. As a Dragonborn with the ambition to step into Alessia, Reman and Talos path, it's better to side with a weak but structured government.

PS: Stormcloaks in the beginning are hostile like imperials... "walk away, friend: this doesn't concern you" (threatening the player with a weapon). They change behavior to a less hostile one if you do quests like "missing in action". There are a few side quests which are considered favors towards a certain faction.
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