ive been putting off listening to the audio log for a while so i sat down and listened to them all. . . i came to one conclusion the resistance is a bunch of whinning babies who want more and more.

have you ever read the book "if you give a mouse a cookie" Its like that but worse.

the resistance F*ucKED thing up and they complain that it smells like Crap when their the one who Pooped every where

the arc was a place of beauty before the guest before they started crouding in and making it like crap i found my self hating the resistance reading the audio logs and it makes me regret making so many characters of them because they look cooler

in one audio log the founder women is helping a sick child when she could be setting around doing nothing and pissing on the poor and the women spit on her just because shes a founder .

If anyone agree or disagree with me i would love to hear your option

Well yeah.
I'm resistance but they the wrong side here. The developers made the game from both points of view and they're both right. But the resistance is counted to be the wrong ones here.

So yeah, they kinda svck. If you play PSN, I'll see you on the battlefields. PSN ID is same as posting name.

well you right and wrong the "guests" should be happy atleat ONE of the founders is trying to help but the in-game convestions also holds true the security could let some of the guests into the places that are no longer in use they could also share the information both sides have about the outside world and the inside damage

so you would let a hobo sleep in your sons bed once he moves out hell no!!

and they already use the empty spots but chen uses them a based of operations CHEN's the [censored] the the story he preachs freedom while he recives all the freedom he need if i was the securty head i would take a ligh rifle to his dome after he opened his mouth

Agreed about the Resistance.

While I can see how they could have been given a bit of space and privy to information that the outside world is full of bloodthirsty savages, maybe not everything would be so bad. But they don't seem to have a head for looking further into situation, and resort so quickly to blowing things up that I can only call him extremists, or more like Terrorist at the point they are in the game.

Like I, and the developers said. They're both right. The security ARE oppressive and uncompromisable and the resistance ARE radicals and uncompromisable. The founders own the place and built it so its theirs. Yes, they restrict the 'Guest' to A LOT of things. And they could easy up. But the resistance is too needy. Yes they have little but they have enough. I know the founders have more then them but they're suffering too. There are pros and cons about both sides. The only reason I think the resistance are the wrong ones here is because once they get what the want they'll want more or oppress even more. Its just how it works. They are TOO radical to not be taken as a threat.

Also the biggest problem is Mokoena and Chen. They both have too much pride to try and compromise. If you listen to both their audio logs you'll see how they'd like to make one but they don't want to be the one to say, "Ok. Lets talk about this." Both of them should act like men and not little wussy girls. They are old enough to understand but their TOO big for their breeches.

They svck? Not necessarily.

The Ark was built to be self-sustaining and to harness purely-renewable energy. During the events of Brink, these systems have all either failed or are starting to fail, causing an extreme resource shortage affecting everyone on the Ark.

However, not everyone is in a position to know this. The Guests don't seem to have been made aware that the Security and the Founders are also running low on resources. They have no reason to believe that any other faction on the Ark is running low on food, water, shelter, and other needs.

If you take a look at the differences between Resistance and Security maps, the environments seem to be worlds apart; Founder and Security locales, despite the resource shortages, are mostly clean and well-tended-to, while Resistance locales are rust-ridden, dilapidated, and generally falling apart. A powerful separation has been enforced between the two, and I wouldn't be surprised to learn that most Guests have never seen what things are like for the Security and the Founders. In other words: the Guests have only seen what things are like for them, and they have absolutely no way of knowing what life is like for other residents of the Ark. So when the Guests hear about how the Ark is (was) self-sustaining and how it uses renewable energy, they have no reason not to believe that the Founders aren't living in comfort. The Guests and the Resistance have absolutely no possible way of knowing that their various demands -- the revocation of water-rationing policies, the dismantlement of Security, and others -- simply can't be satisfied. They have no choice but to assume that the Founders are actively and willfully screwing them over -- an incorrect assumption, but the only one available to them.

At the same time, the Resistance is correct about certain things. Consider what I mentioned about the environments earlier: Resistance levels are damaged and worn, while Founder and Security levels are well-maintained and pristine. These differences make it clear that while the Founders aren't actively oppressing the Guests, the two groups are certainly not equals in the Ark's society. The Ark is housing 45,000 people when it was built to hold 5,000, and so it is understandable that conditions won't be perfect or even pleasant... Even so, the differences between Founder and Guest environments are so pronounced that the only rational conclusion that one can come to is that resources and living space are not being allocated fairly.

Basically, the Resistance are wrong only in the cases where they have not been given enough information. They are being treated unfairly and they are not being treated as equals; however, the mistreatment is not as bad as they believe.

EDIT: As for why the Founders seem to have completely isolated the Guests? Well, that's completely understandable. In one of her audio logs, Founder Barbara Elmhurst points out that [spoiler] the Founders accepted the arriving Guests indiscriminately -- even though they knew that many of them were dangerous criminals, and that many more were infected with dangerous and highly-contagious diseases -- "because it was the right thing to do" [/spoiler]; it's understandable that the Founders would want to keep themselves at a distance from such a population.

No the Sec just stops the the resistance not runnig around blowing up stuff like the Res take everything to far and the Sec dont take it far enough just put some bullets in chen and BAM problem sloved


the security is always on the moral high ground

Sec : lets stop people from dying

Res : lets point gun at people who gave us stuff for nothing and bleed them dry till it becomes the down fall of both of us. . . .its for the greater goooood i promise..........

The Security campaign's opening cutscene shows someone, presumably a Founder, urging Security Captain Mokoena to stop using unnecessary violence. Mokoena himself has stated, in his Audio Logs, that even despite his loyalty to his men, he knows that many of them very frequently cross the line; some use very excessive force but "are too useful in a fight", while others are just violent "thugs". Even the leader of Security believes that Security goes too far.

What about Nechayev? In the opening cutscene for the Security Tower mission, one of the Security officers asks why Nechayev was in the infirmary even though he was healthy when captured. Clearly, Security is abusing their prisoners of war -- something which very clearly contradicts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions that an army would be expected to follow.

Oh, well, that's a mature point. Can't argue with that infallible logic.

This is a very single-minded view.
You have to remember that if you were starving a living in a slum with about 9 people living in room meant for 1, and water rationings, and rumors, you would start to get a little crazy and might even start pointing some guns at people.
The security refused to give the Resistance equal supplies, they never told them it was because they were also running low. No matter who you are you have to admit lying during life or death situations isn't exactly moral high ground.

One more thing, in many of the audio logs if the founders hadn't have split everyone up into obvious sides the conflict would have never erupted.

Why do people use the "What If" missions as a point about one sides' morality? It's a "What If" mission for a reason.

The Security and the Resistance are soldiers in a conflict being run by other people. They only know what they're told (and very few ever question that). It is the responsibility of those with the most information to make the best use of that information. If the Founders know the world out there is so dangerous (and it's unclear what is actual knowledge and what is well placed lies) and they don't want people leaving because of that, why not tell them?

The Ark is fighting for survival in the world; forcing things to the brink of civil war over class lines that shouldn't mean anything is a poor choice of the leaders. Unification of the Ark's inhabitants would go much further to their survival in the long run. Whether or not they all started on the Ark is irrelevant, they all live there now.

What about the attack on container city? The security mission starts with the dialogue "I know you didn't sign up to attack a civilian compound...." And according to the resistance they are holding a cure, according to the security it is a bioweapon, but is possibly an excuse by Mokoena to quell the resistance before it gets out of hand.

The security also get twice as much water as the guests despite the guests are the ones working to repair and maintain the ark. The Founders opened their arms to the guests out of pity but then used them as slaves to keep things running. Don't forget 80% of the wealth is with the founders while 80% of the population (the guests) live in poverty.



Exactly. It's the leaders that are both withholding information and misguiding their followers. Chen knows the Arkoral is failing and becoming harder to replace due to the strain becoming sterile. Which due to time running short in his eyes, he incites the Resistence to try and force the founders into finding a more suitable solution. Noble goals but not the best course of action as he even admits he doesn't know how much he can control his men once riled up.

Mokoena and the Founders know about contacting the outside world and the team getting slaughtered. He wants to keep the peace at any cost necessary, including deadly force despite the founders warnings. Again noble goals but not the best course of action as he also admits he is not happy with his men and state some of them use excessive force and others are just thugs.

From Mokoena's audio log you also learn that he refuses to be "weak" and find a peaceful political solution, making things personal with Chen and escalating the conflict. Chen has similar remarks in his logs and also makes it personal with Mokoena.

It is not a cut and dry good vs evil. SD actually did a good job on that part, I just wish there was more story existing within the campaign itself; even the audio logs feel lacking.

Because the Resistance wouldn't give up. They want to know if there IS a world out there, the fact that there is would only drive them harder - and if Mokoena is right, then letting them run free and seek out civilisation could endanger the lives of all of those remaining on the Ark, the same way they had to move the Ark after a previous search party was tortured for information.

Folks, mind the forum rules please, even if you are talking in "character" so to speak. Also, don't circumvent the auto-censor.

The characters in Brink are always taking things too far. Everything is extreme and polarized: Security are fascists, Resistance are terrorists.

It's good to know the OP got svcked right into it all and can't keep an open mind about it.

Related: Why do the Security supporters always go out of their way to call the Resistance-supporters [censored]s? Granted this is the first time I hit up the forums in a while but come on; back in the pre-release days Security guys were going crazy ape-[censored] on the Resistance too, which was funny because the Resistance members were the lifeblood of the forum back then.

Summary: it's a frikkin' game. It's meant to be a moral quandry. Chat about it with your family and friends. Don't flame on the forums. It used to be the fastest way to get you banned back in the day, to post like this.

Edit: WRAITH'D! Ah yes, it's good to remember the old days.

The difference there is that if they're given the information and still try leave then Mokoena is in the right, but as it is right now they're asking to leave and being held against their will without explanation.

Assuming that they would leave once they knew is just that, an assumption, and it isn't neccesarily well founded since the Resistance is fighting for equality or the right to leave, but that knowledge would become leverage in their fight for that equality.

I think the OP is missing the point- the Founders live in incredible luxury compared to the Guests. The Founders came to the Ark because they were rich, and because it moved to international waters it's a tax haven.

I'm guessing the OP worked for Lehman Brothers at some point.

The Guests have no rights but they are allowed power and a certain amount of food and water. The Resistance think they should be given more than they're currently getting, since the Founders still get the lion's share, and if the Ark is all that's left of humanity then there should be equal rights and privileges for all. However, they've discovered that there is a world out there, so they want to leave and scout for land. At the very least they can find a new home for their people. But the Founders know that if they do that they might give up the location of the Ark, and that would lead to even more people turning up, probably wanting to pillage the place. So Security are sent in to suppress them.

Both sides are right, both sides are wrong. No-one should be able to live in luxury at the expense of others, but then again some life is better than no life at all. If they worked together then they could probably send a scouting party out, but neither side want to do that.

Now, would you kindly pay attention next time?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fGZsqNc-LI

yes, I read that video


The Founders shouldn't have let so many "Guests" on. The Resistance should understand that there aren't infinite resources. The solution is either don't let the "Guests" in in the first place or merge both societies evenly which would result in both sides losing a ton of people since there aren't enough resources. However, it would reduce prejudice and cause them to stick together as a whole once The Resistance realized how horrible shape the Ark is in since they're allowed to see.

EDIT: awesome idea. The Founders could simply encourage and help The Resistance leave the Ark. They'll either thrive on the outside world having been right about it ORRRRRR they'll die horrible deaths. Either way, The Founders are getting rid of guests. This is a terrible idea since any Resistance that leave would immediately report the Ark's location, causing it to be overrun even more, and expecting The Resistance to stick to a promise of not revealing it is unrealistic.

"A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members." - Mahatma Ghandi

The Ark is finite, and dying. The only way to save the people of the Ark, is to escape it.
People can't survive on the Ark forever, it will either fail or become overpopulated. People will run out of space. All these things are already happening in the game, arguably due to the guests, but it would still happen later, with our without the guests. Security are fighting to secure their fate.

The Ark is partly dying because of over population which is caused by the Guests. With less people, less resources would be required to keep the Ark afloat. You also have to remember why the people who found land were tortured. It was to find the Ark. What happens when the Resistance, who hate the Ark anyways? They'll spill the beans and bring barbarians to destroy the Ark. Also, Gandhi supported peaceful protests. The Resistance grabbed guns and started killing. They have no concern for anything but themselves, they refuse to look at the bigger picture.

You are ignoring the fact that overpopulation would eventually occur without the guests anyway. If anybody has a chance of survival, they will not find it in the Ark. Yes, you could argue they are only concerned for themselves, but they make up about 80% of the Ark's population, so "themselves" is actually quite a lot of people.
Gandhi may have supported peace, but he ended up taking up arms, stating: "To bring about such a state of things we should have the ability to defend ourselves, that is, the ability to bear arms and to use them...".

To be fair, we don't know who fired the first bullets, so we don't know if they tried peaceful protest first. The Resistance don't necessarily speak for all the Guests, and Security don't necessarily speak for all the Founders. But the Guests don't *know* the bigger picture because the Founders won't tell them, and clearly the people in charge are just lying to their troops at times.

What puzzles me is why all these brilliant minds in the Founder's tower can't work out some way to send out a team that didn't know the co-ordinates of the Ark by only putting them in the nav computer. If the plane comes back they can quarantine it and identify all the people on board.

Alternatively they could just try finding New Zealand.

You hear the Resistance say they started as a peaceful protest at the beginning of their campaign. You also hear the Security squad leader from the cut scenes say it in Early Launch I think. I agree with you when you say that the guests aren't ignoring the big picture, they just don't have it. The same could be said for Security. Also, it's pretty clear both side's soldiers are being lied to, like you said,

Having checked the manual, the machinery that keeps the Ark going is failing, so presumably they'd need to find somewhere else to live for these people anyway.

Why can't we all just get along? Because it wouldn't make for a very interesting computer game (unless you count The Sims as interesting)