For a while now, as I play through Skyrim, I can't shake the feeling that Bethesda may be hinting at the possible return of the Dwemer. Hear me out.


First off, we have http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Dwarves,_v3 which claims there is no proof the Dwemer disappeared all at once, and could have done so over the course of years or decades, and in addition, it could have been caused by things such as plagues, race-wide teleportation, magical contamination, among other things. I could normally just pass this off as ignorance on the part of the writer, but the writer is Calcelmo, a very noteable Dwemer scholar with credibility. Not a lot to go on by itself, and I'd say Vivec's claim that he could not sense the Dwemer anywhere would be a great argument against these claims, but let's continue...

Second, we have the ruins of http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Unfathomable_Depths. One of the ghosts mentions, in passing, that the Dwemer Animunculi could be waiting for the return of the Dwemer. Again, this is nothing, and can easily be waved off as ignorance. And it is. Yet, still, it's an idea that is put forth and has remained in my head...

Third, we have the interesting case of http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Arniel%27s_Endeavor. He attempts to recreate the situation during the Battle at Red Mountain, by using a warped soul gem to substitute the Heart of Lorkhan and then striking it with the dagger, Keening. When he does this, he vanishes without a trace, and that's that. It's worth mentioning that Arniel Gane only succeeded in removing himself, no one else, and certainly not his entire race. When we take this with the "theories" of Calcelmo, we could speculate that only some of the Dwemer vanished when the Tools were used on the Heart, and perhaps some of them still remained.

Last, but certainly not least, we have http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Falion, who claims he's seen Dwemer. Being a Redguard, it seems out of the question that he could possibly have been alive during their time, Telvanni magics included. Perhaps he's referring to Yagrum Bagarn? Perhaps he merely meant he saw a Dwemer Spectre. Or perhaps the Dwemer still exist somewhere, or there's just one more Deep Elf still roaming around somewhere. A very heavy claim that, unfortunately, we get no more information about.


Now I know full-well what supposedly happened to the Dwemer. I've considered myself a Dwemer scholar (as much as one can be a scholar for these things) and I've heard the story a thousand times. Yet, the disappearance of the Dwemer is ripe for being retconned, as they constantly reinforce the feeling of mystery around the lost race. Maybe this is just me being crazy, but I just can't shake the feeling that they might possibly work in a way to bring the Dwemer back, or reveal their location, or...something. And I've been debating with myself as to whether or not that would be a bad thing or not.

Could the Dwemer be brought back while maintaining the current accepted lore? Would you like to see the Dwemer make a full on return? Or maybe just a very brief appearance? Perhaps a return of Yagrum Bagarn, or revealing another Dwemer still exists? Or is this all just baseless speculation and paranoia on my part, and the Dwemer will remain shrouded in mystery?
What are your thoughts on the subject?

I think that unless the return of the Dwemer is handled extremely well I'll declare shenanigans and wash my hands of the whole TES franchise. This is the kind of [censored] that's killing comic books, and the only reason I'm playing Skyrim is the lore.

That being said, that Transmundane quest was a huge red herring (albeit quite a worthwhile one), so who's to say this isn't? Maybe the Dwemer were trapped in the eighth era and hijacked a Vehkship, upgraded it, and full-on rammed time itself to get back. If they reference any of the crazy future lingo MK writes I'll probably be okay. I'm still trying to figure out the mythopoeic ramifications of Alduin being Akatosh's son, and I suspect that Akatosh is some important dev's darling and he couldn't stand the idea of him not being an original god, or that one of his aspects could end the world.

and the reason my post contains no real information is because there's no real information to be gotten from this, besides the blasphemous notion that the Heart of the World can be simulated, even microscopically, by a mere soul gem.

Add to that, that Yagrum couldn't find them either. Now it's possible that Yagrum did not know of all Dwemer cities throughout the world, but it is very unlikely that all but one city dissapeared. He should have been able to find some clue somewhere somehow, afterall he searched for years and years and years and years and years and also some more years....

Then if you add all the scholars, Divayth Fyr and the Vivec you already mentioned, well it just seems unlikely that none of them would have found anything if the Dwemer were still around.


Nothing strange about that, they could be waiting for the Dwemer to return and they could a million years more or until the very end of time.


I haven't done this quest, so I can't comment on exactly what happened. However, my personal guess would be, he vanished because of something he did wrong or perhaps right depending on his intentions. Him not taking his entire race with him, probably had to do with the power of what he manipulated and the tools he used to manipulate it. The effect would naturally be far less powerful, though I am surprised he was even capable of doing it. I'll have to do this quest sometime to see everything for myself. It certainly sounds interesting.

Still it would seem to me, that in order to counter the power of the Heart, one would have to at least know of what is going on and there is no way the Dwemer in far away lands knew what Kragnac was doing when even Dumac did not know


I'd say he was drunk and saw a tiny high elf, and then thought "Hey look a dwarf elf" then the next morning completely hung over barely able to remember anything he did remember saying "hey look a dwarf elf" and just replaced that to Dwemer because people keep calling them dwarves...


Well I wouldn't find it strange to see the Dwemer return someday, maybe soon. But I don't think there are any still around. A return would mean in my opinion a literal return of all the Dwemer, not a small isolated city suddenly coming back on the radar.


I don't know how I'd feel about it. But if they return, then keep them around. Don't make them return to kick them back out right after, that would really be svcky. If they come back then I want to learn their secrets...

I like your theory, I'd just like to see some more evidence to suggest a possibility.

Although I do agree, it would have to be an epic tale. Otherwise I'd be turned off TES all together. Going by the latest effort with Skyrims MQ, I'm not confident.

Well, according to MK, the Numidium is off-duty in the next Era, finally. Though it does seem that becoming its skin is a rather one way street...

Who knows.

Keep the dwemer as the Numidium! Keep the time warping, Akatosh [censored]-bot!

What do you mean "off duty, in the next Era".

I'm not exactly upto speed on what the Numidium is doing/where it is.

Mind = blown.

Unless it's done with time travel (the player time travelling, not the Dwarves), or a DLC with Dwarven Spectres (why weren't they in Skyrim, anyway?) I say keep the Dwemer where they belong.

As in, dead and gone.

Naturally a group of Dwemer could have been in the outer realms like Yagrum was, except a while longer, and hence Vivec couldn't sense them. It's all just excuses to bring them back though, personally i'd like to see some sort of a reapparance but there are also people who wouldn't.

I'm in no way a lore-buff, but couldn't it be possible that if Numidium is "depleted" or inactive, sometime in the fifth Era, that because of that it's skin falls apart, meaning that the Dwemer return? But if they really became the skin of Mr. Robot, what happened to Arniel Gane? Is he part of the Skin now? Did he vanish into unknown realms? Or did he indeed just vanish? Became Nothingness? Like a matter-antimatter reaction? If you strike a powerfull, heartlike power source with keening, some sort of "magical radiaton" removes you (and people similar to you, depending on the strength of the source) from the space time continuum?

It made no sense for Alduin to be Akatosh. Being Dragonborn means you are peronally blessed by Akatosh.
Not to mention, a mortal would never, ever be able to defeat Akatosh.

And we don't know how the Dwemer vanished. They could have appeared on the opposite side of Nirn, in Aetherius, Oblivion. Hell they could have been brought straight to Sithis. I'm not exactly sure what Sovngard was (Aetherius?) but if it wasn't part of a known outer realm they might be somewhere similar to that too.

I feel that the best way for the Dwemer "to return" would be for Numidium to return.

Hark!
The handicraft of the Dwarves!
Who gaveth their souls to power your strength!
To tear apart Time and to render Convention!
This is to Lorkhan, your Love,
And Numidium, you're free!

Considering the way time/space is so "fluid" in this series. Is it really out of the question for another "dragon break" style event to occur, and for the Dwemer to have never been lost at all?

Given what was done with Alduin during the Dragon War (is this specific incident considered breaking the Dragon, or more like shanking the Dragon?) the possibility for Dwemer reappearing are fairly infinite. I also find it interesting that, if the Dwemer did become the Divine Skin of Brass-Walk, why is it that Vivec claims he cannot sense them anywhere in time or space/ he claims not to know what became of them? Is it their (supposed) ritualistic un-creation which causes this, or is Vivec just being a [censored] to the nerevarine?

Considering how Vivec came to power, and what happened after Morrowind.
Nothing that Character said can be taken with any sort of credence IMO.

How is it that I appear to be the only one who noticed that I can summon arniel gane's ghost after finishing that quest. He bound himself to the nearest potentially divine being.

Wood elves make good enough Dwemer:

http://i44.tinypic.com/10dsbw1.jpg

No, I agree with you here (shocking)

I'd like to put my opinion in on the subject, and say that, while I do feel like Bethesda is heavily hinting toward the possible return of the Dwemer, I don't think I would like to see such a thing ever happen. Maybe a single Dwemer along the way, or the ability to talk to a Dwemer Spectre like in Morrowind, but in more detail, or something like that, but never the full-scale return of the race. I love the Dwemer too much, and I can't help but feel they would never live up to the hype or to the image I have in my head of them. I'd much rather them remain mysterious, while still getting bits and pieces of new information about them in every game.

Wait, you mean...

Arniel! Get out of me!

(The Warped Soul Gem aside, I love that quest. It is incredibly fascinating.)

What's up with the sentient Dwemer ghosts anyway, like conversations with Radas Stungnthumz in Mournhold? Don't they contradict with the whole Dwemer are gone thing?

On the other hand, you could see ash piles on Dwemer armor and weapons in those ruins, which would suggest that at least they were physically destroyed in some way.

Akatosh and Alduin are the same as much as your reflex in a mirror is you. They are the same "Entity", but aren't.

Akatosh wants this Kalpa/World to continue and Alduin wants to start the Next Kalpa/Dragon-Dominated-World. You just defeated Alduin (A Reflex of Akatosh) because he is bonded to the form of a Dragon and Akatosh blessed you with his Dragonborn thing.

At least this is my explanation to the whole TES-Lore-Mess that I love.

Actually, people who have familiarized with the lore, will often come to realize that the devs have written tons of incomplete stuff and left a lot of open ends, often due to sheer laziness (and i'm not talking about the mystery of the Dwemer). Healthy criticism even towards something as awesome as TES is not necessarily a bad thing.