I know the Scarab's Lorkhan and all that crap; I want to know who's actually done this.

To the uneducated, this is one of the "six walking paths" (see http://imperial-library.info/obscure_text/5th_era_loveletter.shtml) that basically is a way to Z, the final subgradient. I know of the others that's listed (the Prolix Tower is likely the Marukh Selective apotheosis, etc. etc.), but this one is eluding me.

Any thoughts.

I dunno, Mankar might be a possibility. Can't think of any other creepers that become free man.

Vehk hasn't?

Thought that was CHIM, he's asking specifically who actually used the process called "The Scrarab that Transforms into the New Man" (out of the list of The Numidium. The Endeavor. The Prolix Tower. CHIM. The Enantiomorph. The Scarab that Transforms into the New Man) to reach the final sub gradient.

New man or Nu-Mantia Man?

Dammit. I really don't want to spoil ALL of Oblivion before I even really get to play it, because I barely know anything about Mankar besides the basics.

Ugh...why does college cost money...?

To paw-prints: perhaps. I don't remember exactly what Nu-Mantia means, so I'm not sure the terms are related.

I don't think the New Men exist yet. If I understand MK's ideas correctly, it would be similar to the next stage of human evolution. Sort of like the "end of History" or a Millennium.

I think Nu-Mantia is another term for freedom, but you'd have to ask other posters like Proweler.

Nu-Mantia's heavily to do with the Landfall. Which is the end, sorta.

ok, ok, kinda on the far out side... but Alessia? Nu-Mantia, freedom, liberty and stuffs -- a New Man definitely, the scarab connection could come from Shor and the Amulet.

...yea...

:dance:

I wonder if that's in any way conntected to what the Dwemer were trying to do with Numidium and the Heart of Lorkhan.

Which is to say, [censored], because evolution doesn't come in stage and doesn't go toward a pre-planned destination. So there is no "next stage" of human evolution.

I think he means spiritual transcendence (ie -- reaching the final subgradient), not physical evolution. Although, yeah, he wasn't clear.

Actually, I don't think anyone has used this method. We know who used all the other ones, but nobody has actually used the Scarab symbolism behind Lorkhan himself to try and apotheosize or otherwise manipulate the universe. Perhaps MK will eventually give us an example of somebody using the Scarab directly in his (presumably) upcoming Norse -- erm, Nord -- lore.

As a rather nonchalant guess, I'd like to postulate that at least one person attempted it, though, and perhaps succeeded and was telling others to do the same. Check the sheer amount of times that Mankar mentions the word 'new'.

Nordic lore?

How come?

You know TES5? Skyrim.

I have the feeling that Mankar didn't achieve as much as he thought he had. He and his slaves weren't really "New Men". He was the king of nothing, as was Dagoth Ur. (Unless you believe it was worth the latter having a kingdom of zombies and Lovecraftian monsters.)

AP is right; I was aiming for the idea of "transcendence" more than evolution.

Since you mentioned HPL...

Beware the planes of Leng!

As for the scarab bit, isn't this referring to Lorkhan the scarab and Shezzar the new man? Excuse me for being overtly literal in the lore section.

...Aren't they...the same thing???

I might just be confused by your meaning. Please elaborate.

Maybe the "The Scarab that Transforms into the New Man" was the attempt by the Dwemer to transform themselves into the Numidium?

Here's my reasoning behind that:

1.) Lorkhan is commonly associated with the Scarab, and his heart was the heart that was supposed to be used to power Numidium. That's the Scarab part of the anology.

2.) It is known (or at the very least, theorized and generally accepted) that the Dwemer became the "golden skin of Numidium." Hence, the Tranforming part of the anology.

3.) Considering the Dwemer are the Skin and the Scarab is the Heart, i'd surmise that the Numidium in this equation was intended to be the "New Man," the final product of the Dwemer's attempt. Whether the attempt failed or not is irrelevant; an attempt is still an attempt, the act of one trying to achieve something.

I'd say this is a likely option for the "Scarab that Tranforms into the New Man" attempt. Makes sense to me, anyway. What do you guys think?

I think that the Dwemer are covered by "the Numidium" in the list...

I thought about that myself, but I thought that was referring more to Talos's ascedence to Godhood by his use of the Numidium. In any event, that was the only explanation I could find that fit the "Scarab that Tranforms into the New Man" scenario, unless it really is something we don't know about yet.

That's a fat guess.

What does the possibility of TES V in Skyrim have to do with the scarab?

its a fat educated guess

Go you.