Hah, that would be something fun to see. But, if you were the bad guy, a la Hollywood, you'd die in the end.

Its a nice try, BUT, the next line is literally "But no-one wanted to believe. Believe they even existed.And when the truth finally dawns: It dawns in fire"

Tell me how that fits into the Akavir fantasy people have for Skyrim. Cause it doesn't.

Good point. Everyone in Tamriel knows that the Akaviri exist. They know of the dragons as well.

Ka Po'Tun and Dragons ?

actually, the skyrim main quest makes the pc the villain, and the victor of the skyrim main quest. thats my dream, and id give bethesda a 2% chance of doing that...

Actually, the Akaviri banner you posted is exactly the same as that Morrowind banner. And that banner is the Imperial banner. Which has been all over TES in some form or another.

So it's way more likely that the Skyrim "banner" is a broken down version of the Imerial banner (for instance: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:Imperial_banner.png) than that it's based on some supposed Akaviri banner.

You could argue that the banner draws inspiration from Akavir. (Also, that's exactly what is says on the subtext for the Akaviri banner you posted on the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Akavir: "An Akavir-inspired Banner".)
But I think that's a bit far fetched. The original design of the banner is much more likely to be inspired by the covenant of http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Akatosh with the Empire of Man, Akatosh being widely represented by a dragon as a symbol and also often linked to a dragon in physical form.


As for Skyrim:
The dislodging of the diamond (symbol for the amulet of kings) could indicate the demise of the Empire (likely), the breaking of the covenant between Akatosh and the Empire of Men (also likely), or it could indicate the banner preceding the imperial banner in age (less likely). The broken wing on the dragon, well that's up to speculation.

You can speculate for an Akaviri involvement in Skyrim though, given the heavy focus on dragons in the teaser trailer, according to Mysterious Akavir:

Ka Po' Tun is the "Tiger-Dragon's Empire". The cat-folk here are ruled by the divine Tosh Raka, the Tiger-Dragon. They are now a very great empire, stronger than Tsaesci (though not at sea). After the Serpent-Folk ate all the Men, they tried to eat all the Dragons. They managed to enslave the Red Dragons, but the black ones had fled to (then) Po Tun. A great war was raged, which left both the cats and the snakes weak, and the Dragons all dead. Since that time the cat-folk have tried to become the Dragons. Tosh Raka is the first to succeed. He is the largest Dragon in the world, orange and black, and he has very many new ideas.
"First," Tosh Raka says, "is that we kill all the vampire snakes." Then the Tiger-Dragon Emperor wants to invade Tamriel.

Some would argue that Tosh Raka = Akatosh, or an aspect of Akatosh, or a mirror of Akatosh.

And there it becomes more complicated and interesting. Is Akatosh the protagenist or what is his role? Akatosh was involved in the covenant with the Empire, his blood was mystically joined with Alessia and her heirs, with the amulet of kings being the primary token. Is he looking to undo the covenant and the previous reign, or is he looking to renew the covenant? Is the hero (player) looking renew the covenant, or is he/she looking to prevent it and thus preserve independence for Skyrim from Cyrodil? I could go on..

And then there's this:
You should have acted. They're already here. The Elder Scrolls told of their return. Their defeat was merely delay. Til the time after Oblivion opened. When the sons of Skyrim would spill their own blood. But no-one wanted to believe. Believe they even existed. And when the truth finally dawns: it dawns in fire. But, there's one they fear. In their tongue, he's Dovahkiin: Dragon Born!

Too many questions arise imho. There's some deep discussion going on in several threads like http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1150358-skyrim-trailer-breakdown/ and http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1149541-dragons-akavir-and-civil-war/. I'm going to wait for some announcements from Beth. That's the only way to be sure as far as I'm concerned.

I think, and I might be wrong, That the imperial banner might be akaviri inspired since the second era, where the empire was under the rule of potentate versidue-shaie, who was akaviri himself.

many provinces have attacked skyrim after skyrim's rapid expansion into morrowind and high rock, and all were defeated allowing skyrim to retain whatever land it has now. Yes, the akaviri have attacked via skyrim into Cyrodiil via pale pass and were defeated there, but "their defeat was merely a delay" might refer to several groups. the dragons in the teaser might be symbolic, or actual dragons. i'd guess, if i had to, that they are actual dragons, since they feature prominently on the stone board, and figurative things don't tend to be a main theme on such things. on the other hand, the board was made by Bethesda artists, not divine teller of truths and secrets and we are, as always, probably succeeding in reading too much into it.

I thought a long time ago they said they were never going to use dragons in there games i think its something akaviri for once besides there are no dragons.

Have you seen the teaser?
There's a dragon in it!

You know, I think I'm gonna fully splooge all over my February GI issue.

I don't know who on UESP labeled that the Akaviri banner, because it isn't. It's the Empire's banner in Mournhold in TESIII. The exact same symbol is on several other banners/tapestries in Imperial forts, and on the Dukesguard armor. You want me to dig out the textures or what? This entire thread was based on a false premise. :shakehead:

You can quote me on this, January 6 will be the day we will find Screenshots of the Akavir influence in SKYRIM !

Because, oh gee, that's when the new Game Informer (which already announced it will have a cover story on Skyrim) will be published? :rolleyes: And has not this whole Akaviri thing been busted?

...Except in Redguard, where there was a dragon, and on Twitter less than a week ago, where they flat-out said there would be dragons in this game.

No ? Why would it be busted ? We are all still speculating, but look at the poll result, most people think it'll happen.


- Oh and by the way, the same dev fx4d, has read this thread 2 times, He/she did it a few hours ago and now is doing it again... Interesting...

Only because some goofball on UESP labeled the banner as Akaviri. People (who might not have played TESIII) would be basing their votes off this flawed, erroneous information. For shame! :nono: That dev is probably laughing his/her pants off at this foolishness.

It's labelled like that because that's how the http://bethblog.com/index.php/2010/02/12/testing-your-knowledge-volume-5-lack-of-akavir/.They didn't change the name of the file.


Also, going with the other "banner of the Empire". It seems like people are forgetting that the Empire have been ruled by Akaviri Potentates, for something like 400 years. Then there was lots of centuries of "dark ages" without an Empire after that. I can see people using the "old" banner of the Akaviri Potentate for the new Empire, totally ignorant of what it meant.

Have you read the previous posts ? I'm not really sure myself but, Isn't the Septim Imperial Banner, inspired by the Akavir Banner.... ?

I don't see the banner explicitly labeled as Akaviri. I just figured the folks on TIL grabbed a flag of the Empire and stuck it on there to spice things up, especially since the question had to deal with the Empire. I don't know why Dragons are exclusively Akaviri: isn't Akatosh the Dragon Lord of Time? The Red Diamond itself is dated from that time frame: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Amulet_of_Kings. As you can see, it is "missing" its corners too.

EDIT: Oh for [censored]'s sake:
tx_banner_imp_01.dds <- same thing as the so-called "akaviri banner.jpg"
tx_fabric_tapestry_04.tga
tx_flag_imp_01.tga

crack open your Tribunal.bsa to find the first, and the Morrowind.bsa for the second and third.

Right click the image as...It's called Akaviri_banner.jpg.

And the Amulet of Kings is a red diamond in a socket...

As I've stated before: the image appeared as part of TIL's Akavir article first, where it was labled akaviri_banner.jpg, since it was a banner and part of the akaviri article. UESP got it from there, and the Blog presumably from UESP and/or TIL. The game files are labled properly, and there is no in game basis for it being an Akaviri banner. We have never seen an actual Akaviri banner to compare it to, so it is impossible to tell how/if the Septims changed it into their sigil.

You know who else was defeated? Falmer. They were driven out of Skyrim. Maybe they're returning?
You don't KNOW that dragons or Akavir are the ones invading. You can't make wild claims because the reveal trailer having dragons in it. Maybe they're going to help? Maybe they'll side with the enemy? Maybe they'll just be there and have nothing to do with the plot? Let's just wait until January and see if we get any information about this before going crazy with the speculation.

You know, it's threads like these that make me feel tempted to make something up and see how quickly people will accept it.

So TIL is responsible for everybody saying it's the akaviri_banner. lol

Sorry, I just find all the misunderstanding funny. At least, it clear that part.

Thats my assumption based on the dates of the images :shurg: