The 5 smartest person in lore : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Mon May 07, 2012 11:31 pm

Dang it! I thought something was wrong :tongue:

» Tue May 08, 2012 5:01 am

Tiber Septim was a great Military General and Leader but you can't compare the intelligence of the mortal Septim to people like Fyr or Vivec. If you count Tiber Septim as Talos, however....

Well that's just unfair. :tongue:

He was more than just a great military leader. But he did become a god. That has to count for something imo.

» Tue May 08, 2012 10:05 am

This thread half reminds me of the beginning of Hallgerd's tale, with everyone debating who the greatest ~~warrior~~ mind in all of Tamriel is/was.

» Tue May 08, 2012 9:00 am

Not counting aedra and deardra I believe you would have Kragenac and then 4 of his fellow dwemer, the race were supposed to be unimaginbly intelligent.

Counting the aedra and deadra I have no idea, but I believe Azura would be on the list along with Hermeous Mora.

» Tue May 08, 2012 5:19 am

Naw Mannimarco has to come first. He walked away from that fight somewhat alive. Galerion just died.

Galerion's gotta win this one, he created the Mages Guild, he created ALL the known enchanting,alchemy,spell classes, etc.......... Known on Tamriel. And the only reason Mannimarco became a god is through Profane means which Galerion refused too use.

» Tue May 08, 2012 9:44 am

Galerion's gotta win this one, he created the Mages Guild, he created ALL the known enchanting,alchemy,spell classes, etc.......... Known on Tamriel. And the only reason Mannimarco became a god is through Profane means which Galerion refused too use.

Galerion never had a chance to be a god. He missed that whole "resurfacing of the Totem of Tiber Septim" thing by quite a bit.

» Tue May 08, 2012 4:32 am

Galerion's gotta win this one, he created the Mages Guild, he created ALL the known enchanting,alchemy,spell classes, etc.......... Known on Tamriel. And the only reason Mannimarco became a god is through Profane means which Galerion refused too use.

The Psijic Order invented that. Galerion just classified everything. Only Mannimarco can be said to have truly invented a spell school.

» Tue May 08, 2012 12:39 am

The Psijic Order invented that. Galerion just classified everything. Only Mannimarco can be said to have truly invented a spell school.

He did find a way to make magic easier to use for everybody out there. Which is something the Psijic order never did, then again they were never interested either.

» Mon May 07, 2012 10:09 pm

Divayth, Tiber septim, the Grayfox(count umbranox), Sotha sil, kagrenac, vivec, mannimarco, Martin septim, caius cosaded, master aryon,dagoth ur.xarzes, the main character in every game.

» Tue May 08, 2012 9:06 am

Divayth, Tiber septim, the Grayfox(count umbranox), Sotha sil, kagrenac, vivec, mannimarco, Martin septim, caius cosaded, master aryon,dagoth ur.xarzes, the main character in every game.

I'm not so sure about the main characters, I've RPed some rather unintelligent ones.

» Tue May 08, 2012 9:13 am

Not to mention the main character in each game, save for Daggerfall and Battlespire, were made to look like gullible dopes more often than not.

» Tue May 08, 2012 4:08 am

Not to mention the main character in each game, save for Daggerfall and Battlespire, were made to look like gullible dopes more often than not.

Even with super intelligence potions in MW you still have to be told everything that's going on. There outta be some sort of intelligence threshold where once you cross it you begin to posit the secrets of the universe.

» Tue May 08, 2012 8:48 am

Even with super intelligence potions in MW you still have to be told everything that's going on. There outta be some sort of intelligence threshold where once you cross it you begin to posit the secrets of the universe.

Not sure about that, but damn, I do want to actually play a character who isn't a bumbling moron for once. More or less, I'd wish they kept things like strength and intelligence in game, in which if they were at a certain level they'd open up more dialog options, particularly intelligence.

» Tue May 08, 2012 5:32 am

i just said that because well i played them, haha...
sorry, bad joke.

» Tue May 08, 2012 7:32 am

Not sure about that, but damn, I do want to actually play a character who isn't a bumbling moron for once. More or less, I'd wish they kept things like strength and intelligence in game, in which if they were at a certain level they'd open up more dialog options, particularly intelligence.

Why bring them back when you could perks for more dialog options?

» Tue May 08, 2012 7:40 am

The Psijic Order invented that. Galerion just classified everything. Only Mannimarco can be said to have truly invented a spell school.

No there's an in game book ill remember its title that said he literally created the Enchantment and Alchemy apparatus. I think it was Feyfolken book one.

» Tue May 08, 2012 5:30 am

No there's an in game book ill remember its title that said he literally created the Enchantment and Alchemy apparatus. I think it was Feyfolken book one.

That's different to inventing the magics themselves.

» Tue May 08, 2012 5:10 am

Even with super intelligence potions in MW you still have to be told everything that's going on. There outta be some sort of intelligence threshold where once you cross it you begin to posit the secrets of the universe.

Lol. Intelligence of a million or more and you can achieve CHIM. That's be fun!

» Tue May 08, 2012 8:47 am

Dyviath Fyr (he can go to other planes to!!) Thou, where he is located, even at 4000+ years might not be upto date)
Sotha Sil Smart, but probaly not the smartest.
Kagrenac (probaly the top person)
Vivic All in-game books you read show he is one smart sob.

Kagrenac i think is the smartest. Alot of people followed his work, and it'll be sometime before anyone gets to his level.

5th one... no clue. Nervaine only because.. she reflects me, and I read every book in the game, and absorb so much info... 200's with Akvari. She getting up there.

» Tue May 08, 2012 11:39 am

That's different to inventing the magics themselves.

I never said he created it but you didn't see Mannimarco contributing.

» Tue May 08, 2012 7:08 am

I never said he created it but you didn't see Mannimarco contributing.

Really, the only mages that "invented" anything were the Psijics. Everyone else after them were either categorizing them, or innovating on previous ideas. Galerion made the schools, yes, but the spells already existed.

» Mon May 07, 2012 9:28 pm

As I know, The Psijics "discovered" Mysticism. They knew mysticism spells long before it became a school of magic.

Why bring them back when you could perks for more dialog options?

lol

» Tue May 08, 2012 1:53 am

Vehk,
Kagrenac,
Sotha Sil,
Fyr,
Mannimarco

» Tue May 08, 2012 4:04 am

KAGRENAC. IT'S SPELLED "KAGRENAC."

My list is:
1. Vivec
2. The Dwemer
3. The Dwemer
4. The Dwemer
5. The Dwemer

If the Dwemer are so smart, why aren't they there to stop me from taking and breaking their stuff?

» Tue May 08, 2012 7:53 am

Really, the only mages that "invented" anything were the Psijics. Everyone else after them were either categorizing them, or innovating on previous ideas. Galerion made the schools, yes, but the spells already existed.

Shalidor created spell reflection, basing it off the ward placed on Spellbreaker.