The storm cloaks : V - Skyrim

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:47 am

I think Ulfric is a dike. Seriously. His acting is great, better than Tullius. But he's still a dike.
I've played through both questlines with different characters and I enjoyed them both. I roleplay, try it. Makes it fun to play anyone, even the ones you don't like.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:01 am

the Empire didn't ban Talos lightly, it was either that or certain defeat

Titus Mede II and the Empire just gained the upperhand (taking back the Imperial City) and then simply surrendered and agreed to the demands the Thalmor made before the war.

Nothing about certain defeat there, just cowardism. xP

I still play with the Empire on my current playthrough, simply because I think that an united Empire would fare better, even though the Redguards alone could fight the Thalmor to a standstill and throw them out of Hammerfell.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:58 am

Tell me how an empire who fought a war against the invading Dominion constantly under brutal circumstances and war would keep their population happy in the aftermath? Once more, the Empire was lazy and didn't bother with Skyrim, talking to the captains and even the General himself points out people were allowed to practice Talos freely, so long it was hush-hush.

The mere removal of Talos's status as a Divine weakened him, even if he was worshiped privately throughout the Empire.

But here comes pompous Ulfric, which I absolutely despised when travelling to Windhelm [ Yes, I actually wanted to sign up there first. ], killing the High King. If he was corrupt or not, at least the Dominion didn't barge into Skyrim afterwards and started dragging people down the streets. The weakened Empire HAD to crack down because of the Dominion.

The Empire never should have compromised the worship of Talos in the first place, no matter the cost.

If anything, Ulfric is the cause of destruction of the world if he had his way..But we wouldn't know that without further DLC or games. But I am off to play some Saints Row III. Good day to you!

Wrong on all counts. Saying Ulfric is causing the destruction of the world is like saying that practicing safe six helps spread AIDS.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:39 pm

This is a non-spoiler forum. So I suggest you two read "The Great War" online or in book format, listen to Ulfric closely and have a good look in the Thalmor Embassy and their files.

Read the files carefully. People have been saying some stuff about that file that shows they didnt read it right.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:02 am

Because they are much better than the scrawny weak empire. Who is the puppet of the Thalmor

Im so tired of this sorts of comments! This is completely false and who ever says this has not even scratched the surface of the game lore yet. Read books like the "great war" & The notebok about Ulfric in th Thalmor embassy. But best is simply to search in a wiki for the lore about the empire and thalmor. Search also for Ulfric and the thalmor, then you will be shocked. Ulfric is the puppet if you care to learn.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:19 pm

Im so tired of this sorts of comments! This is completely false and who ever says this has not even scratched the surface of the game lore yet. Read books like the "great war" & The notebok about Ulfric in th Thalmor embassy. But best is simply to search in a wiki for the lore about the empire and thalmor. Search also for Ulfric and the thalmor, then you will be shocked. Ulfric is the puppet if you care to learn.

You claim people have not been paying attention to the lore, and yet you clearly haven't looked very closely at any of the lore surrounding Ulfric.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:19 pm

You better not be a Nord.

Plenty of proud, loyal, heroic Nords who have stuck with the Empire.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:46 pm

Im so tired of this sorts of comments! This is completely false and who ever says this has not even scratched the surface of the game lore yet. Read books like the "great war" & The notebok about Ulfric in th Thalmor embassy. But best is simply to search in a wiki for the lore about the empire and thalmor. Search also for Ulfric and the thalmor, then you will be shocked. Ulfric is the puppet if you care to learn.

You apparently did not read the file very carefully.

Spoiler

Ulfric was a prisoner of the Thalmor. After that he was a contact (not a puppet). At this time he is neither. He wont even talk to the Thalmor. Tullius talks to them every day to get his marching orders.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:23 pm

You claim people have not been paying attention to the lore, and yet you clearly haven't looked very closely at any of the lore surrounding Ulfric.

Ofcourse I have. I don't say Ulfric is outright evil. He is doing what he thinks is best, though it is not best for the rest of Tamriel or Skyrim. I cant post spoilers here to explain this but... Ulfric knew that the king would join him and not the empire, though he still murdered him because he so selfishly wanted the throne. (Hope that was no real spoiler)

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:20 pm

I know that the Elder Scrolls Series is always emersive and you start to take sides and have feelings for people and factions, but at the end of the day it just a game. Who cares why you picked one side or the other, this thread isn't about that. Well, now it is. Both the Stormcloacks and Imperials svck anyways...Thalmor too, they svck hard.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:00 am

You claim people have not been paying attention to the lore, and yet you clearly haven't looked very closely at any of the lore surrounding Ulfric.

I have. It is grey, there seems to be evidence going both ways. It is up to the player to decide which they believe.

Personally I don't blame people who take a dim view on Ulfric, there is certainly enough for that. I also don't blame those people that think it is a stitch up and that he is misunderstood, since that does have something going for it (I fall into the former camp, by the way - I think he would probably, in the long run, be the worst thing to happen to Skyrim).

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:48 am

You apparently did not read the file very carefully.

Spoiler

Ulfric was a prisoner of the Thalmor. After that he was a contact (not a puppet). At this time he is neither. He wont even talk to the Thalmor. Tullius talks to them every day to get his marching orders.

Does brainwashed ring any bells?(During his imprisonment) He might not know he ever was. He did a giant favor for the Thalmor by starting the civil war.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:40 am

Ofcourse I have. I don't say Ulfric is outright evil. He is doing what he thinks is best, though it is not best for the rest of Tamriel or Skyrim. I cant post spoilers here to explain this but... Ulfric knew that the king would join him and not the empire, though he still murdered him because he so selfishly wanted the throne. (Hope that was no real spoiler)

They moved this thread to the spoilers section, so spoil away.

/proud legionnaire

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:38 am

Ofcourse I have. I don't say Ulfric is outright evil. He is doing what he thinks is best, though it is not best for the rest of Tamriel or Skyrim. I cant post spoilers here to explain this but... Ulfric knew that the king would join him and not the empire, though he still murdered him because he so selfishly wanted the throne. (Hope that was no real spoiler)

Spoiler

Wrong. Ulfriic challenged the king to a duel and the king accepted the challenge.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:20 pm

Plenty of proud, loyal, heroic Nords who have stuck with the Empire.

I....uhm....well...I just don't believe you.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:45 pm

I just have one question did i join the right group

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:37 pm

Does brainwashed ring any bells?(During his imprisonment) He might not know he ever was. He did a giant favor for the Thalmor by starting the civil war.

You would have to assume that every one of his followers were brainwashed as well for that to make sense. Lots of Nords wanted that civil war that never were a prisoner of the Thalmar. One man does not make a revolution. And its really the Empire that are doing the Thalmor favors by letting them run things in Skyrim. Telling citizens how they must live by Thalmor law, and allowing the Thalmor to give Tullius his marching orders.

The Thalmor were the ones that ordered Ulfrics execution at the start of the game, and they were not the ones that called the dragon to break it up.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:48 am

Spoiler

Wrong. Ulfriic challenged the king to a duel and the king accepted the challenge.

All that i said was correct.

The discussion though is if it was Murder or a Challenge. My point of view is. He used his shouts to completely surprise and kill the king. That would be like bringing a gun to a knife fight to me. A challenge should be be on equal terms. (though this is my opinion.)

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:53 pm

You would have to assume that every one of his followers were brainwashed as well for that to make sense. Lots of Nords wanted that civil war that never were a prisoner of the Thalmar. One man does not make a revolution. And its really the Empire that are doing the Thalmor favors by letting them run things in Skyrim. Telling citizens how they must live by Thalmor law, and allowing the Thalmor to give Tullius his marching orders.

The Thalmor were the ones that ordered Ulfrics execution at the start of the game, and they were not the ones that called the dragon to break it up.

You make fair points. I know that the dragons are not on either side.

Although I agree with you on on one man does not make a revolution but, he in his position as a jarl speed it up a lot. He also killed the high king though it was not necessary. this was a major factor of the civil war. (the kings murder)

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:48 am

All that i said was correct.

The discussion though is if it was Murder or a Challenge. My point of view is. He used his shouts to completely surprise and kill the king. That would be like bringing a gun to a knife fight to me. A challenge should be be on equal terms. (though this is my opinion.)

There isnt anyone in game that is calling it murder because of unfair advantage. The ones in game that call it murder are ignoring the fact that it was a challenge.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:21 pm

I just have one question did i join the right group

There is no true "right" group.

Unless you joined the Stormcloaks. :whistling: :bolt:

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:58 pm

All that i said was correct.

The discussion though is if it was Murder or a Challenge. My point of view is. He used his shouts to completely surprise and kill the king. That would be like bringing a gun to a knife fight to me. A challenge should be be on equal terms. (though this is my opinion.)

K. I Just got to chime in here. If you talk to the Kings widow's court wizard, (or whatever) She says that the King Idolized (probably not the 'exact' word) Ulfric and all he had to do was ask the King to make Skyrim Independent and he would have listened. So I kinda agree it was more of a murder. Though what I said doesn't bring any proof but I think its pretty obvious that Ulfric knew the King would have listened to him but instead he just killed him. Just my two cents.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:38 am

I just have one question did i join the right group

The nice thing about this sort of game is that you can go in either side. Both is right. It all depends on witch side you trust more and think will do best for Skyrim.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:59 pm

Ulfric was essentially bringing a gun to a knife fight, yes.

But honestly, do you people REALLY think Torygg stood one chance in 10000000000000000000 with or without Ulfric's Thu'um? He was dead as soon as he accepted the challenge. Someone made a nice theory about Ulfric using Thu'um to make himself more impressive. Victory was assured already, it's just a nice story. If you do the questlines, it shows that he likes make everything a story.

Might as well say battlemages are unfair, anyway.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:00 am

Ulfric was essentially bringing a gun to a knife fight, yes.

But honestly, do you people REALLY think Torygg stood one chance in 10000000000000000000 with or without Ulfric's Thu'um? He was dead as soon as he accepted the challenge. Someone made a nice theory about Ulfric using Thu'um to make himself more impressive.

Might as well say battlemages are unfair, anyway.

I read that Toryyg accepted the duel because if he refused then that would trigger a moot (sp?) and a new king would have been chosen. IOW he really did not want to give up his throne.