The Stormcloaks (aka The Rebels) : V - Skyrim

» Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:11 am

Any description on what these Stormcloak soldiers look like?

Unfortunately not yet - all we have to go on is the two brief quotes listed in the OP.

» Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:22 am

Any description on what these Stormcloak soldiers look like?

White/Gray Hooded Cloaks please! crosses fingers.

» Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:57 am

you know what would be really [censored]

if the storm cloaks

HAD NO CLOAKS

» Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:50 am

I will join the rebels, overthrow the Mede empire in Skyrim, and place my claim to the throne as the Dragonborn!

(btw, the Mede empire is canon. For all those who haven't caught up on events in the 200 years between Oblivion and Skyrim, visit the UESP wiki and read up on the events of the 4th Empire Era, INCLUDING THE COMPLETE ANIHILATION OF VVARDENFELL)

Hope you didn't invest much in real estate in Morrowind! :rofl:

» Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:01 am

It would be awesome if you could choose between helping the Empire or the Stormcloaks (which I now assume are the rebels, I like the name).

I will certainly help the Empire on my first playthrough though.

» Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:08 am

It would be awesome if you could choose between helping the Empire or the Stormcloaks (which I now assume are the rebels, I like the name).

It certainly seems like that is the case, given the limited information we have so far.

I think it would be rather odd if you can join the Stormcloak faction but can't join the Empire faction.

» Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:20 pm

This is what Reiner had to say about the soldiers....he said compared to the Whiterun guards, "They did look different. Not as rich, clean." Not much, but it's something.

Also, anyone else notice that in Reiner's preview he mentioned the guards said something about a Dragon attack at Helgen? I haven't seen this place mentioned before.

» Tue Aug 09, 2011 1:13 am

Thinking the stormcloaks are the Empire perhaps escorting a captured rebel. Freeing him might get you an invitation to support them.

» Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:14 am

As allways,you never fail to provide a wealth of info on your topics,thanks.

One thing I would say though,could you add a maybe option to your polls?I try not to make my mind up on these things untill I play the game(learned that from NV),and am a lil undecided about the rebles,Ill see the situation first hand in game.

While the dragon things cool and all,I hope the civil war plays a big part in things this time around.

» Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:24 pm

Thinking the stormcloaks are the Empire perhaps escorting a captured rebel. Freeing him might get you an invitation to support them.

That would seem to contradict Kevin Kelly's article where he reports being given a quest to find and join the Stormcloak Rebellion - so they certainly could not be the Empire side of the conflict.

» Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:57 am

I didnt pistol whip martin into action just to have the empire be torn apart by filthy illiterate peasents 200 years later.
I chose empire.
I would have the empire logo flying high from dawnstar to winterhold...or nothing at all.
Id rather see skyrim burn then see it fall to "Freedom Fighters"

» Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:52 am

I didnt pistol whip martin into action just to have the empire be torn apart by filthy illiterate peasents 200 years later.
I chose empire.
I would have the empire logo flying high from dawnstar to winterhold...or nothing at all.
Id rather see skyrim burn then see it fall to "Freedom Fighters"

Even though you would be supporting the Mede Empire, founded by Titus Mede, a Colovian warlord who overthrew the Septim dynasty and sacked the Imperial City after the Oblivion Crisis with an outlaw army of less than a thousand armed thugs?

» Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:15 am

I would join the rebellion, the Mede's have no right to the thrown and Skyrim should rise in power again, plus if the storm cloaks don't have cloaks that will be messed up!

» Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:30 am

I would join the rebellion, the Mede's have no right to the thrown and Skyrim should rise in power again, plus if the storm cloaks don't have cloaks that will be messed up!

LOL I have to agree with you about the cloaks.

As for the Mede Empire, I think that's who we're dealing with, based on The Infernal City, but it's always possible the devs throw us a curveball and have somebody else take over the Empire before the time of Skyrim.

» Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:23 pm

Does anyone know lore wise if the Stormcloaks have any relationship with the Jarls that rule each Hold? The Jarls after all select the new High King of Skyrim which would mean they are in favour of a High King autonomous of the Empire, where the High King was a vassal of the Emperor 200 years ago.

» Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:59 am

Does anyone know lore wise if the Stormcloaks have any relationship with the Jarls that rule each Hold? The Jarls after all select the new High King of Skyrim which would mean they are in favour of a High King autonomous of the Empire, where the High King was a vassal of the Emperor 200 years ago.

AFAIK, the Stormcloaks have not been mentioned before in the lore.

It seems that Skyrim has descended into Civil War on at least 2 or 3 prior occasions, and each time the High King had died without leaving a suitable successor and the Moot was not able to agree on a new High King.

» Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:26 pm

I think it would be rather odd if you can join the Stormcloak faction but can't join the Empire faction.

I really hope you're right Booty, but we couldn't join the Mythic Dawn, Necromancers, Imperial Guards or Blackwood company (not really :wink:

) in Oblivion, and I'm guessing (a bit on the pessimistic side) the same can be applied to Skyrim.

» Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:25 am

I really hope you're right Booty, but we couldn't join the Mythic Dawn, Necromancers, Imperial Guards or Blackwood company (not really :wink:

) in Oblivion, and I'm guessing (a bit on the pessimistic side) the same can be applied to Skyrim.

I think it would be a pretty crappy concept of a Civil War if there if the Rebels are portrayed as the "good" side and we have no option of helping the other side.

Even based on the description from Andrew Reiner, we have an option of seriously helping someone who was captured by the Rebels to escape from them. He might turn out to be nobody special, but I'm guessing he is a member of the Empire faction and if you choose to help him escape, you are putting into motion a series of events that could lead to you joining the Empire side and becoming hated by the Stormcloaks

» Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:07 am

I think it would be a pretty crappy concept of a Civil War if there if the Rebels are portrayed as the "good" side and we have no option of helping the other side.

Even based on the description from Andrew Reiner, we have an option of seriously helping someone who was captured by the Rebels to escape from them. He might turn out to be nobody special, but I'm guessing he is a member of the Empire faction and if you choose to help him escape, you are putting into motion a series of events that could lead to you joining the Empire side and becoming hated by the Stormcloaks

You make interesting points. But surely it cant be so simple. With the new focus on the Story surely if you were to rescue a prisoner from the Rebels and maintain its not the way to do things but be sympathetic to the Rebels' goal then Im sure you could join them. I would hope that your morality, be it extreme or not, would not impact so much on what faction the game assumes you want to join or help/hinder. I would guess that, like in Morrowind 3, you will be able to play both sides but there will come a time when you have to jump of the edge and land on one side of the fence or the other.

» Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:27 pm

You make interesting points. But surely it cant be so simple. With the new focus on the Story surely if you were to rescue a prisoner from the Rebels and maintain its not the way to do things but be sympathetic to the Rebels' goal then Im sure you could join them. I would hope that your morality, be it extreme or not, would not impact so much on what faction the game assumes you want to join or help/hinder. I would guess that, like in Morrowind 3, you will be able to play both sides but there will come a time when you have to jump of the edge and land on one side of the fence or the other.

Yes, I agree - I certainly hope we are not locked into one side or the other just based on that brief encounter on the riverbank.

I meant to say that being able to help the prisoner suggests we are able to start down the path of siding with the Empire, or at least make a choice that pisses the Rebels off.

I don't think those particular Stormcloaks would be very happy if you set their prisoner free, especially if you end up having to kill them to protect the prisoner.

» Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:10 am

I think it would be a pretty crappy concept of a Civil War if there if the Rebels are portrayed as the "good" side and we have no option of helping the other side.

Even based on the description from Andrew Reiner, we have an option of seriously helping someone who was captured by the Rebels to escape from them. He might turn out to be nobody special, but I'm guessing he is a member of the Empire faction and if you choose to help him escape, you are putting into motion a series of events that could lead to you joining the Empire side and becoming hated by the Stormcloaks

I'm not sure that encounter with the rebels can be considered important or not, it could just be a random one without any civil war related impact.

Anyway, I really hope you're right. If so... let's hope other "rival" guilds will be implemented! Necromancers this time, for Todd's sake!

» Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:11 am

As for the Mede Empire, I think that's who we're dealing with, based on The Infernal City, but it's always possible the devs throw us a curveball and have somebody else take over the Empire before the time of Skyrim.

Im guessing the Mede Empire is still ruling, but a lots can happen in the next 160 years, well have to wait for lord of souls and skyrim

» Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:26 am

I'm not sure that encounter with the rebels can be considered important or not, it could just be a random one without any civil war related impact.

Perhaps, but any kind of action like helping a prisoner escape or fighting with some Stormcloaks is necessarily going to affect your reputation with the Stormcloak faction.

Even if it was a random encounter, it is still an opportunity to change your relationship with this organization.

And if the prisoner turns out to be someone important, then, I'd say Radiant Story truly is working some magic behind the scenes.

let's hope other "rival" guilds will be implemented! Necromancers this time, for Todd's sake!

yes please!

» Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:20 am

Go Stormcloaks! How dare our leaders go soft on us and let those Dunmer refugee's in!

» Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:03 am

Even though you would be supporting the Mede Empire, founded by Titus Mede, a Colovian warlord who overthrew the Septim dynasty and sacked the Imperial City after the Oblivion Crisis with an outlaw army of less than a thousand armed thugs?

You can't overthrow an extinct line of rulers, can you?