Typical of the ancient conflict between the aristocracy and the plebeians. The aristocracy (the founders) bribe people onto their side - they have all the money, the land (and the water rations). Meanwhile the plebeians have nothing - nothing to lose, but everything to gain, often living in squalor and poverty. Given a choice about which you would be part of, you would be mad to choose the plebeians (the resistance). You being alive comes before a twisted sense of morality if you were in their shoes you would be a founder instead of an immigrant. That's why I'll be playing as the Security (as well as so that I can shoot chavs.)

Not to mention that the ecological collapse which is already happening today, and the 'Green Vision' which people are going to have to see, or we'll be living in a polluted wasteland like the people in Brink.

From every interview I've read and watched, the guys at SD have made a point the both sides have "a good reason to fight," so it could basically be summarized as "hero cops vs. hero freedom fighters." Yes, the Resistance is fighting for survival, but the Security folks are trying to keep some kind of law and order around the place, to prevent the Ark from dissolving into anarchy (which wouldn't be good for anyone, Guest or Founder.) Avatar this isn't.

I'm personally going to play the Security force first so I won't be "tainted" by the Resistance campaign into thinking "Oh great, I'm fighting as the oppressors now" when going to the Security campaign. (Hey, when there's only 8-10 maps...) Since the Resistance comprise "the least of these," I don't think I'll have the same problem when playing them after completing the Security campaign. (Did that make sense?)

One thing I have wondered about is the "general" backstory, which seems to involve a massive flooding of the world (apparently by melting big iceburgs). I'm generally skeptical of the whole global warming climate change global climate disruption stuff (and it's subsequent "we must use economically unviable sources of energy & have less children!" rhetoric.) So I have angsted over whether or not I should spend money on a game whose storyline involves a scientific hypothesis I believe to be erroraneous. My dad says I was obsessing to much, and since I've pre-ordered on Steam, well...

That said, I don't think Splash Damage is trying to promote one economic or scientific theory/ideology over another - they're just trying to create a scenario to tell a certain story, for the enjoyment of the gamer. Nothing more "ulterior" than that.

You DON'T believe in climate change!?!
Dude, sarah palin doesn't believe in climate change (HugeAssMassiveHint)
But of course if god didn't say anything about climate change then it can't exist right...

I think some of you are taking it a little too far. Have you ever thought that maybe all of this came from Ed Stern's imagination? You guys are starting to sound like high school English teachers. The story doesn't represent SD's political beliefs, it's just meant to entertain.

Lol, you probably confuse the words "Theory" and "Hypothesis".


A theory is a bunch of FACTS thrown together to make sense, even though the way they are thrown together isn't always fact. But they do make sense.
The world has always been a bit of a yoyo when it came to climates and it only makes sense that after an iceage a couple thousand years ago the world would heat up again.

If we're contributing to it is the only thing we're not entirely sure of, as our hundred years of plastic is nothing compared to millions of years of natural disasters.


Sorry for going off-topic, on-topic I'd like to say that the simliarities of the Ark with The Venus Project was what drew me to pre-ordering this game.

Gimp you think because the Founders are scientists they're greedy? Entirely impersonally, but that view or stereotype is more than a little warped.

It's funny that the moderators disallow political conversations when the game is the most literal representation of a class war I've ever seen, which is still a very relevant topic today. I've heard capitalism vs. communism but that seems too broad, the resistance seem to be fighting for adequate living conditions and less so for communal wealth (I base this on the fact that the guests were pleased enough with the cramped arrangement initially and wasn't until they began receiving fewer rations and harder work that they began revolting)

Absolutely. We need to be able to have a politically-tuned discussion about Brink. As long as it doesn't get personal it will be fine. :thumbsup:

While I agree with you, it is simply the fact that this, being the Bethesda forum (publisher not developer), has different rules.
We will have plenty of time to discuss the topic in game and/or other forums.

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And as long as we don't let idiots express their opinions.

Pretty sure that's why it's disallowed...

Unfortunately I can see how easy it might be to lose the context of the game and start arguing in real world terms, because the subject matter (to SD's credit) is very hard to stand neutral in. I think just by picking Resistance or Security you've staked out your opinion, with maybe a few looking just at the aesthetic aspect. Which as just as valid, I guess, given that this is just a game.

I don't think insults are allowed either. :tongue:

I'm not saying that since the founders are scientists they're greedy,what I'm trying to say is maybe they just got a bit power-crazy.

Because green, eco-friendly, environmental scientists are so the pharmaceutical megacorporation CEOs, hehe. Yeah, I see your point, although it was probably the 'wealthy entrepreneurs' who wanted their luxury paradise rather than the scientists. ^_^

As I remember from a link The Founders were politicians and scientists.
I portray them as "greedy" because,lets face what kind of social eco scientist rations peoples water while keeping a large amount for them themselves?

This was an odd choice for me especially because I do serve in the Canadian Armed Forces but I believe the Resistance has the right here and that wouldn't change if the situation had also been real. People have a right to have what they need, to take it if necessary and if your not willing to share you better be willing to defend it. Maybe that's the Commie in me.

The ClimateGate scandal should at least give you pause to the "Earth will be destroyed soon if we don't do something!" stuff we've been taught for the past few decades.

And your attack on Christianity and Sarah Palin was completely uncalled for. But let's get back to Brink, shall we?

The ones who slaved away for years and years with hard work and planning, to build for themselves (and I guess those willing to buy a place there) a safe-haven? The fact that any refugees were allowed on in the first place shows that they are somewhat pure of heart. They could have simply said "no, we're only built to maintain a certain capacity of occupants, go drown", but they didn't, they probably had a nudging feeling that they were getting into something over their heads by over-loading the Ark, but they did it for the sake of the lives of strangers anyway. In reality, they endangered their own lives by opening up to the hordes of newcomers. Which is why I side for Security initially, since they have a rightful place there and serve to protect the original occupants, those built or oversaw the building of the Ark and those who bought a home.

But it's the fact that now, however many years down the line, the Founders seem to be doing little to resolve the issue and are continuing to let the Ark fall into disrepair and chaos that allows me to empathize for the the Resistance and the refugees. Which makes my stance as a Security player hard; wanting to maintain peace and stop the community dissolving into total chaos, but becoming dissatisfied with higher orders.

I also feel like I heard them say that there's uncertainty about whether the Ark has actually lost contact with the Earth. Maybe he accidentally let it slip. <.< I'm also interested in whether or not they plan on expanding on the story with dlc.

i for one love the Resistance side, like they are fighting to help the people and better life on the ark

I wonder if a game like this can improve a person's ability to empathize and put themselves in others' shoes.

maybe, who knows