Then be honest, you're favoring head canon in lieu of the ONLY FREAKING SOURCE THERE. And no, the burden of proof doesn't. It goes with you who made the claim, yet refused to link or support anything, other than link an incorrect wiki summary, and not the actual source. I and someone else linked the actual source, and you hand wave it away because you refuse to believe the only single source on this.

The Redguards genocided the Left-Handers with the help of the HoonDing and the Nords had the Dragons. The Left-Handers and Falmer had no Divine intervention.

Not canon officially. And wasn't this something Mk presented as a question rather than something he actually wrote? Something about Ysgramor being a dragon?

Sorry, bad post.

Yeah, it was a bunch of silly monkey-speak. Handle it like Pelinal, and hulk smash it.

Actually the tongues are capable of shouting cities down too and Harald only took a couple Dwemer cities while the Dwemer were waging war with the Chimer. They didn't really tap into the power of Lorkhan until during the War of the First Council hundreds of years later. Oh and it took merely a Chimer platoon to defeat Wulfharth

The Redguards themselves blame it on the Hiradirge which is probably one of the reason why Redguards grew to dislike magic. Then again the Hiradirge were a butthurt Ansei group who wanted revenge.

I remember that thread. Yea, so thats even less likely then. Its not comparable to something like 911th Cow or the piece he wrote listing the names of some of the companions. Just a bunch of people talking and theorizing.

But did they actually say it was on purpose? They could have used too much power and just meant to do a lot of damage (but not sink the continent).

It's actually debatable whether HoonDing really is a god. I believe I had a chat with someone yesterday about that. It's still very much shrouded in mystery.

What do others think it is if not a god?

I see the HoonDing as the Yokudan version of the Shezzarine. Not actually Shezarr, but a mortal who is enough like the deity that they're super charged for ass kicking. Also, being called the god of "GET THE [censored] OUT OF THE WAY SCRUBS" is pretty sweet.


It was on purpose.

....what [censored] bags.

The Dragon cult most certainly existed at the time, There where no doubt a few Dragon priests in the 500 companions and it's not far-fetched to imagine dragons came with them from Atmora as well. I doubt the Dragons would just sit back and let so many of their servants go sailing of without keeping an eye on what they where up to.

Dragons dont seem like the type to get involved with mortal affairs to me. Thats why they had dragon priests, and that is stated in lore too.

The impression I'm getting from other people who know Yokudan lore better than me is that he is kind of some spirit, incarnation or even ideology that choose to embody an individual Redguard or something. I won't say much for fear of spreading false information.

I heard that Falmer were on par with the Altmer magically and culturally. But I guess you're implying they were class five stupids, since you seem to think they wouldn't have a navy.

First of all relax; it isn't that deep. We can't scrap one on one through the Internet.

Secondly, it's called the Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages for a reason because its unofficial. Meaning its only as reliable/relevant as an individual makes it. Just like wikia, Wikipedia and any other source outside the official author.

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Finna_(Lore)

Lastly, just because proof is a burden to you doesn't mean it's a burden to me. In debates I either learn or reinforced what I've learned; like I said already. I like learning about subjects I'm interested in, looking for proof is the perfect opportunity to do so.

Then it's plainly obvious you did not actually use my link, as I linked the direct text. Would you prefer if I used The Imperial Library which also has the same direct text from the actual source, or would you like it if I pointed to you where in-game you'll find it? Either way, my link is the text, word for word, of the actual source, and not some wiki summary you claim I linked. Kinda hilarious too, because what you link has the actual source linked on the bottom, the same text that I linked and you'll find anywhere that links the text of the source. Instead, you continue to insist a faulty wiki enter is truth, when the direct text right below doesn't even mention any of what you claim. Here, if you love the wiki that much, http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Fall_of_the_Snow_Prince.

And you continue to beat around the bush that you refuse to back your claim up and still cling to fault information at best.

Had to get to Solstheim somehow. Unless it really was shouted away from Miraak's battle.

its not reinforcing if the source it came from doesn't even support the evidence. Can we end this now?

It's sad this thread is going to end with the Imperials beating the Dunmer.

Considering the Dragon cult in Skyrim became tyrannical enough to start the Dragon war near the end of the Merethic Era after most of the Snow elves had been driven from Skyrim and Solstheim I would assume dragons where present at the time. The war with the Falmer was likely one of the reasons the cult developed their desire to rule with an iron fist.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dragon_War

The last stronghold of the Dragon cult fell in 1E 140 and the Journal you can find their shows that the forces that sacked it where pursuing snow elves in that area at the time.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Skorm_Snow-Strider%27s_Journal

So the war with the Falmer and the war against the Dragons happened within a rather short period. Seeing as there where still pockets of Falmer resistance even after the Dragon war.

Where did you hear that? Interesting

Kyne's breath, I know.

Present is relative. They were around, but that doesn't mean they were involved. They got tyrannical later, and even then the dragon priests were the ones handling things at first. I suspect the dragons got involved when their priests couldn't handle things. Speculation on the last part, but the first part isn't. Also, Ysgramor possibly may have been that dragon priest.

Just because the Falmer had a society similar to the Altmer, does not mean they had a navy built for the sole purposes of defending an island from necromantic frogs and sea-serpent riding elves.

Nor are the Altmer of today the same as the Altmer 5,000 years ago. Nor are the Nords of today the same as the Nords 5,000 years ago.

Apples don't taste like oranges.

It seems like Dragon Priests and Starks never get along well in these threads

Book from Dragonborn. I forgot the name. Traitor and the something.

edit: Here it is:

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Guardian_and_the_Traitor

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Fall_of_the_Snow_Prince

This is what you linked; its a wiki.

"So ends this account of the Battle of the Moesring, and the fall of the magnificent Elven Snow Prince"

This is a quote from the body of text summarizing what the forementioned is about. The events of that day on the battlefield aka the Battle of the Moesring

Edit: "She died when a group of Bandits stabbed her on a path back home. She was 12 when she died." Quote from the link I provided.

@Colnel: Our convo ended when you cease responding to the posts directed to you. So there's nothing to end.