All I'm getting from this is that the Falmer couldn't defeat the Nords when the dragons were trying to kill them.

And, lol, of course you would ignore that the entire reason Ysgramor left was civil war in Atmora.

Nevermind that his burial mound wasn't dragon-briast fashion like other Dragon Priests. Nevermind that his city has iconography of the hawk everywhere.

Clearly not, as you're still talking about it. Just let it go. The source was faulty. It happens.

Indeed, there really is no evidence that suggests they were involved, especially after lore says dragon priests were the ones doing the ruling for them while men worshiped them.

Again, there is no other text, nothing else, other than "Fall of the Snow Prince" that mentions Finna. The only source the wiki you link is still "The Fall of the Snow Prince" and nothing else. I linked you the same text from the wiki you're using, and here is the http://www.imperial-library.info/content/fall-snow-prince, and you can compare the UESP's link with your wiki's link with the Imperial Library's link with the actual in-game text, and it's all the same. Do I need to take pictures of the actual in-game book from Skyrim, Oblivion, and Morrowind too?

I could actually believe that Solstheim was once part of mainland skyrim or at least much closer to it, I doubt the Snow elves would have had very many ships.

I honestly don't think they did either. I think it would have been mentioned if they did somewhere. Navy battles and such, but it seems like the nords had a straight sail minus the sea ghosts acting up during storms.

Then you provide a source from the same exact website that you deemed unreliable. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Chill, just mind your business.

North Eastern skyrim is pretty torn up as well from Dawnstar east to the White River with many small islands scattered about in the sea of ghosts. I thought that was just because of the Great collapse. Would also be another way to explain the lack of Snow elven ruins besides the chantry they where all swallowed by the Sea of Ghosts when Solstheim was ripped from skyrim.

Though Fall of the Snow Prince refers to it as an Island.

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/fall-snow-prince

Here's a grand idea, read my links. It's not a wiki summary, it's text from the book pasted on the internet for all to read it without having to go in the game. What you linked was a wiki summary, not the actual in-game text. It's not hypocrisy, because I'm still using the primary source, only on 3 different websites to prove that it is the same text from the book in Morrowind (Bloodmoon), Oblivion, and Skyrim, not a wiki summary. You're being completely dishonest, and it's getting rather annoying.

EDIT: Here, I'll link all three sites again, each linking to the in-game book's text
1) http://www.imperial-library.info/content/fall-snow-prince

2) http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Fall_of_the_Snow_Prince

3) http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Fall_of_the_Snow_Prince

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/fall-snow-prince

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Fall_of_the_Snow_Prince

There, its done.

Just for the record. Nords of eastern Skyrim > Nords of Western Skyrim in terms of hardiness

Not trying to start a Civil war but only us Stormcloaks know how unforgiving and cold Skyrim can truly be.

Again, you're not disproving anything I said. Just showing me recaps & accounts of the battle that ties them together.

You haven't disproved my believed fate of the girl who infamously killed the "Nord Exterminator" with a lucky shot. Just telling me that from your best knowledge & supporting knowledge that it may not have happened.


Bulgruuf was about his, all the way. Show some respect.

He's disproving it by showing you what you claimed is stated nowhere in the lore whatsoever. The only account of that little girl is in the snowprince book, and it speaks nothing of her death. See what I mean? The person who put that in the ES wiki pulled that out of thin air. It would be like me saying martin septim made a pact with sheogorath to learn to use the amulet of kings. No source on it, and nothing disproves it technically. But the lack of any evidence on what I said or even anything pointing to the possibility shows its false.

Bah that Milkdrinker! No wonder the Greybeards rejected him.

umm...what part of "this is the only text that mentions Finna" do you not understand? There is literally nothing at all, save for that one book. And since no one can prove what happened to the girl afterwards, the ESWiki claim is utterly baseless, as there is no information at all. For all we know, she ended up becoming Jarl of Windhelm and had her throne decorated with the skeletons of the fallen falmer, or became a fisherman until she hit a shoal, where she was then taken care of by sea dragons and became the queen of the northern sea dragons. Can't prove or disprove it, as no information at all exists. So, by saying she ended up being slain by bandits has as much truth as my scenarios, which is to say none.

You, on the other hand, have nothing at all. No source, neither in-game nor even Monkey-Truth, to prove your point. The only source your wiki summary links is "Fall of the Snow Prince", meaning the only way the author of that entry could have found such information would have came from that book. But it is not mentioned how Finna died, and thus, you're claim is nothing but baseless supposition.

Hmm

North western Solstheim certainly looks like it might have been connected to skyrim near Winterhold in the past.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120527092347/elderscrolls/images/7/76/Soltsheim_Map.jpg

http://images.uesp.net/e/ef/SR-map-Skyrim.jpg

Probably and it isn't a easy place to live either. Well at least for the Nords who live on it.

Random thought: Funny how everything else with "frost" in front of it is the stronger variant except with dragons. Just thought of that when you mentioned it was tough there. Since they have frost trolls and sabres. And wolves and bears.

The Falmer had an even easier time living there.

Also the College of Winterhold pre-dates the Second Era by a lot, and I think I know why it survived the great collapse now despite the College mages not even knowing exactly why it did besides just speculating on it's ancient wards.

It survived because a wizard did it

He checked Ulfic and the Empire at the same time; when pressure was at its highest.

@Hellmouth: Im tired of repeating myself, going in circles only to end up at the same place & its astonishing that your friend is still talking to me. Say what you want, PM me when you find something that I can't possibly deny so until then I'm done.

Not just any wizard either

Take a good long look at the college and see if anything strikes you odd about it

http://www.skyrimnexus.com/images/2625844-1330977916.jpg

http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/Images/905814-1344974659.jpg?width=400

This is my reasoning behind the Nords being the strongest. I think this is also why they have been compromised on magic as they are pure warrior stats. I also think this is my they are some of the best smiths with some of the best heavy armors in the game - dragonbone, carved Nordic, Stahlrim, ebony (ancient Nords - Draugr), Nordic Mail...
Nords are strongest and Nordic armor outshine Orcish armor on stats but then we see Orcs have tougher skin and aren't as compromised magically & stealthily lore-wise giving the balance. Orcs also have berserker while Nords have a resistance to cold.



I think the idea of Nords being like 'naked apes' comes around due to two minor side quest in Morrowind which has one Nord who has his clothes stolen by a witch (hence no clothes) and I can't remember the other one. But having actually seen Nord culture in Bloodmoon and now in Skyrim I think the tactics of people like Ulfric Stormcloak etc shows much different. Nords have been some of the best fighters as displayed in their victories such as in the Reach or the way the Imperial legion relies heavily on their recruitment. More so than Orcs who are not shy in joining up in the legion.
Dragonbone is a Nord armor as is the ebony in Skyrim (as seen worn by Draugr) which shows they had no trouble adapting Dunmer designs to suit their own. I have I think i did read some mention once that in lore that Orcs do make Orcish armor from ebony if and when they can get the material (version of armor not been in games as of yet).
Most the Nords in Skyrim are day to day people so wear lighter armors like fur to hunt and go around their day. Most the best Nord armors are heavy and they been pro-heavy across the games suggesting it is their preferred battle wear.

No, I wanna know if you know of any in-game quote, text, anything that mentions Finna's fate. You obviously know something I don't, and I wanna see it. If you can show proof of her death, I would greatly appreciate it, as I may be overlooking something.

So please, enlighten me.

That's crazy, and I love it. What better way at spitting on his Overlord Alduin's face, then by demonstrating his godly draconic voice by ripping an entire section of land and creating an island to claim for his own.