The Sun : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:56 am

I think I read somewhere the same of the being who created the Sun when they left Mundus. Does anyone know its name?

» Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:37 pm

Magnus, http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/varietiesoffaith.shtml

» Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:41 pm

I've just been reading more about Magnus, he really is fascinating. How could he create all the magic in Mundus? I am discovering a whole new face of the Elder Scrolls Series through its lore and history. I first fell in love with the game, then with modding. I think we have a new champion!

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:08 am

I don't think he makes the magic. Something about the way the et'Ada split the Aurbis into an oblivion filled with void and an Aether full with magic, suggests that all of those alligned to Anu store up the magicka created by their actions and expel the void while those alligned to Padomay merely consume the magicka to do things in the void and leap onwards when all is used up - or vise versa.

In Mundus Magnus would govern magic, but because he left, there were no limitations to it.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:16 am

I have alot of reading still to do... :read:

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:04 am

My theory:

Lorkhan says:
"Hey let's create the mortal world!"

Some, including Magnus, say:
"Sure."

But when the mortal world is created, Magnus and some other say:
"Screw this, this isn't what I wanted!"

And thus, they leave. When they leave, they rip holes in the mortal plane to the outside, where no limits exist. Magnus' hole was the largest, the sun. Because of this, the sun is a portal to the unlimited, the unrestrained; which is also known as magic. The other holes, the stars, form constellations which bear considerable power.

(this was the extra-light "0,00000001% fat" version)

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:11 am

Of course, with the loss of the only race to build observatories and the first, if only, to create astronomical models, astronomy in Tamriel is somewhat limited to myths.

» Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:55 pm

Except for, y'know, the two modern races who actually visit space. But that isn't the first time you've chosen to ignore that.

» Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:55 pm

Except for, y'know, the two modern races who actually visit space. But that isn't the first time you've chosen to ignore that.

Given that the only spaceship isn't going anywhere soon, there is no evidence that it was actually space that they visited. Maybe other planets though.

Edit: We meet again :toughninja:

» Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:31 pm

Given that the only spaceship isn't going anywhere soon, there is no evidence that it was actually space that they visited. Maybe other planets though.

Edit: We meet again :toughninja:

Except that Elder Scrolls has no space. It was shorthand for 'the regions where cosmology can be observed firsthand,' making it all the same thing: a place where the Comsology document you are not-so-subtly trying to discredit can be verified.

And I don't know what this 'only spaceship' you're talking about is. The Sunbirds didn't stick rocket boosters on Adamantia.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:00 am

Two races visiting space...? Care to explain?

» Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:21 pm

Except for, y'know, the two modern races who actually visit space. But that isn't the first time you've chosen to ignore that.

:ooo: Who visited space? I bet it doesn't even work like space in the real world. Does it have gravity? Can you breath in it?

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:33 am

Except that Elder Scrolls has no space. It was shorthand for 'the regions where cosmology can be observed firsthand,' making it all the same thing: a place where the Comsology document you are not-so-subtly trying to discredit can be verified.

And I don't know what this 'only spaceship' you're talking about is. The Sunbirds didn't stick rocket boosters on Adamantia.

I don't believe this whole space travel thing. I only went along with the Adamantine Tower because everyone else does, I got no info on it myself, and even then I haven't gotten a lot of answers about it and am starting to doubt it. Either way, the Orrery would suggest that there is space.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:16 am

Why does the Orrery suggest a gasless vacuum punctuated by gravity sinks? You must be really, really observant.

And you're saying that you don't believe the Sunbirds of Alinor and Imperial Mananauts ever existed?

(And you can call Adamantia a metal meteor if you want. Point is, it's the cosmic form of a god, like Masser or Secunda, but with a symbolic shape)

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:06 am

Why does the Orrery suggest a gasless vacuum punctuated by gravity sinks? You must be really, really observant.

And you're saying that you don't believe the Sunbirds of Alinor and Imperial Mananauts ever existed?

(And you can call Adamantia a metal meteor if you want. Point is, it's the cosmic form of a god, like Masser or Secunda, but with a symbolic shape)

I got no info on sunbirds, but the Mananauts traveled to other realms through portals. That doesn't give much info on where the realms actually are, assuming that they're actually in this dimension.

» Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:25 pm

Not to mention your first post is wrong anyway. The Dunmer were not the only astronomers. There is a non-Dwemer Orrery at Firsthold.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:29 am

Not to mention your first post is wrong anyway. The Dunmer were not the only astronomers. There is a non-Dwemer Orrery at Firsthold.

But how do we know that it isn't Dwemer, or of Dwemer construction? They pretty much invented that sort of thing.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:59 am

But how do we know that it isn't Dwemer, or of Dwemer construction? They pretty much invented that sort of thing.

Err, evidence. And what is this continual "how do we know?"

Oh noes! How do we know Daggerfall isn't a Dwemer [censored]?!?

There were no Dwarves in Summerset, and it was created from heavenly metals collected by travelers in the Merethic Era. <--- paraphrased from 3rd PGE. I don't see even a hint of a Sumerian beard in there.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:31 am

Err, evidence. And what is this continual "how do we know?"

Oh noes! How do we know Daggerfall isn't a Dwemer [censored]?!?

There were no Dwarves in Summerset, and it was created from heavenly metals collected by travelers in the Merethic Era. <--- paraphrased from 3rd PGE. I don't see even a hint of a Sumerian beard in there.

As opposed to no dwarves in Cyrodiil?

And there's always the possibility that it was assembled in the image and design of the Dwemer one, considering they were the first to master that sort of thing.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:07 am

As opposed to no dwarves in Cyrodiil?

And there's always the possibility that it was assembled in the image and design of the Dwemer one, considering they were the first to master that sort of thing.

Wait a minute. Stop being so damned slippery. You realize that even if Kagrenac himself put on a pair of suspenders and knocked the thing together out of toothpicks, it still means that astronomy is not a lost art, and modern mortals are very much able to examine the workings of the heavens and the universe?

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:44 am

Wait a minute. Stop being so damned slippery. You realize that even if Kagrenac himself put on a pair of suspenders and knocked the thing together out of toothpicks, it still means that astronomy is not a lost art, and modern mortals are very much able to examine the workings of the heavens and the universe?

The Dwemer were probably the first to actually make an Orrery. And were still the only ones to have telescopes. Just because the other races are able to divine the workings of the Dwemer, doesn't mean that they either agree with or fully understand their ideas.

» Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:41 pm

The Dwemer were probably the first to actually make an Orrery. And were still the only ones to have telescopes. Just because the other races are able to divine the workings of the Dwemer, doesn't mean that they either agree with or fully understand their ideas.

...at least until they went there themselves and the Temple Zero Society wrote the Cosmology document.

Mortals know plenty of heaven. The Altmer watched Auri-el ascend before their eyes, and it was a demonstration.

» Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:16 pm

...at least until they went there themselves and the Temple Zero Society wrote the Cosmology document.

Mortals know plenty of heaven. The Altmer watched Auri-el ascend before their eyes, and it was a demonstration.

Then again, this wouldn't be the first instance of believing things about the heavens without telescopes to back the evidence up.

» Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:49 pm

Then again, this wouldn't be the first instance of believing things about the heavens without telescopes to back the evidence up.

Yes it would, since Galileo doesn't exist.

» Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:18 pm

Yes it would, since Galileo doesn't exist.

The first instance in this particular fiction, but it was made in the 20th and 21st centuries.